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MetaWhirledPeas 3 days ago

That doesn't justify ignoring our established punishments. Good luck with a system that sets everyone free just in case.

subscribed a day ago | parent | next [-]

They're literally guilty and in the prison for the crime of being unable to afford a lawyer.

That's the fact. You can't argue jail time is automatically fair only because it has been added in the sentencing.

Its legal, and that's it. Civil forfeiture is also legal. Slavery was legal (and is still legal in us prisons).

Doesn't make it justified.

saghm 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Being paid for labor while imprisoned is not anywhere close to being set free.

macintux 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Where in the world did I imply that?

MetaWhirledPeas 3 days ago | parent [-]

> Where in the world did I imply that?

You didn't, but I'm taking your stance to its logical conclusion.

GP: > they shouldnt be paid at all. they're in prison for a reason. they have a debt to society.

Your response: > Often that reason is "too poor to afford proper representation" or "looked vaguely like the actual criminal" or "took a plea bargain because the justice system was threatening them with an immorally-long wait for a trial and a likely worse outcome".

Be that as it may, this is our system. Through a series of laws we have defined due process for our people, and people who end up in prison are a result of this due process. Like it or not this is the best we were able to do.

If we are going to say prisoners should be given more privileges because some prisoners do not deserve to be in there, then why are we holding them in a prison to begin with? Being confined to prison is a thousand times more punitive than not receiving pay for making a license plate.

A better reason for arguing that prisoners should be paid for their work is because it is more humane. That's a better argument than some people are in prison unjustly.

I'm actually in favor of prison reforms. Prisons' number one goal should be to reduce recidivism. I see that as the entire point of the prison system: reducing crime. If a person leaves prison and re-offends, we have failed to do our job.