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jscyc 16 hours ago

When you put it that way it reminds me of the Severn/Keats character in the Hyperion Cantos. Far-future AIs reconstruct historical figures from their writings in an attempt to gain philosophical insights.

bikeshaving 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This isn’t science fiction anymore. CIA is using chatbot simulations of world leaders to inform analysts. https://archive.ph/9KxkJ

ghurtado 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We're literally running out of science fiction topics faster than we can create new ones

If I started a list with the things that were comically sci Fi when I was a kid, and are a reality today, I'd be here until next Tuesday.

nottorp 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Almost no scifi has predicted world changing "qualitative" changes.

As an example, portable phones have been predicted. Portable smartphones that are more like chat and payment terminals with a voice function no one uses any more ... not so much.

6510 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That it has to be believable is a major constraint that reality doesn't have.

marci 3 hours ago | parent [-]

In other words, sometimes, things happen in reality that, if you were to read it in a fictional story or see in a movie, you would think they were major plot holes.

ajuc 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Stanisław Lem predicted Kindle back in 1950s, together with remote libraries, global network, touchscreens and audiobooks.

nottorp 3 hours ago | parent [-]

And Jules verne predicted rockets. I still move that it's quantitative predictions not qualitative.

I mean, all Kindle does for me is save me space. I don't have to store all those books now.

Who predicted the humble internet forum though? Or usenet before it?

ghaff 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Kindles are just books and books are already mostly fairly compact and inexpensive long-form entertainment and information.

They're convenient but if they went away tomorrow, my life wouldn't really change in any material way. That's not really the case with smartphones much less the internet more broadly.

nottorp 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That was exactly my point.

Funny, I had "The collected stories of Frank Herbert" as my next read on my tablet. Here's a juicy quote from like the third screen of the first story:

"The bedside newstape offered a long selection of stories [...]. He punched code letters for eight items, flipped the machine to audio and listened to the news while dressing."

Anything qualitative there? Or all of it quantitative?

Story is "Operation Syndrome", first published in 1954.

Hey, where are our glowglobes and chairdogs btw?

lloeki 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That has to be the most dystopian-sci-fi-turning-into-reality-fast thing I've read in a while.

I'd take smartphones vanishing rather than books any day.

ghaff 2 hours ago | parent [-]

My point was Kindles vanishing, not books vanishing. Kindles are in no way a prerequisite for reading books.

lloeki an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Thanks for clarifying, I see what you mean now.

nottorp 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You may want to make your original post more clear, because i agree that at a quick glance it says you wouldn't miss books.

I didn't believe you meant that of course, but we've already seen it can happen.

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KingMob 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Time to create the Torment Nexus, I guess

varjag 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's a thriving startup scene in that direction.

BiteCode_dev 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Wasn't that the elevator pitch for Palentir?

Still can't believe people buy their stock, given that they are the closest thing to a James Bond villain, just because it goes up.

I mean, they are literally called "the stuff Sauron uses to control his evil forces". It's so on the nose it reads like an anime plot.

quesera an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> Still can't believe people buy their stock, given that they are the closest thing to a James Bond villain, just because it goes up.

I proudly owned zero shares of Microsoft stock, in the 1980s and 1990s. :)

I own no Palantir today.

It's a Pyrrhic victory, but sometimes that's all you can do.

notarobot123 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To the proud contrarian, "the empire did nothing wrong". Maybe Sci-fi has actually played a role in the "memetic desire" of some of the titans of tech who are trying to bring about these worlds more-or-less intentionally. I guess it's not as much of a dystopia if you're on top and its not evil if you think of it as inevitable anyway.

psychoslave 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't know. Walking on everybody's face to climb a human pyramid, one don't make much sincere friends. And one certainly are rightfully going down a spiral of paranoia. There are so many people already on fast track to hate anyone else, if they have social consensus that indeed someone is a freaking bastard which only deserve to die, that's a lot of stress to cope with.

Future is inevitable, but only ignorants of self predictive ability are thinking that what's going to populate future is inevitable.

duskdozer 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To be honest, while I'd heard of it over a decade ago and I've read LOTR and I've been paying attention to privacy longer than most, I didn't ever really look into what it did until I started hearing more about it in the past year or two.

But yeah lots of people don't really buy into the idea of their small contribution to a large problem being a problem.

Lerc 3 hours ago | parent [-]

>But yeah lots of people don't really buy into the idea of their small contribution to a large problem being a problem.

As an abstract idea I think there is a reasonable argument to be made that the size of any contribution to a problem should be measured as a relative proportion of total influence.

The carbon footprint is a good example, if each individual focuses on reducing their small individual contribution then they could neglect systemic changes that would reduce everyone's contribution to a greater extent.

Any scientist working on a method to remove a problem shouldn't abstain from contributing to the problem while they work.

Or to put it as a catchy phrase. Someone working on a cleaner light source shouldn't have to work in the dark.

duskdozer 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>As an abstract idea I think there is a reasonable argument to be made that the size of any contribution to a problem should be measured as a relative proportion of total influence.

Right, I think you have responsibility for your 1/<global population>th (arguably considerably more though, for first-worlders) of the problem. What I see is something like refusal to consider swapping out a two-stroke-engine-powered tungsten lightbulb with an LED of equivalent brightness, CRI, and color temperature, because it won't unilaterally solve the problem.

kbrkbr 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Stock buying as a political or ethical statement is not much of a thing. For one the stocks will still be bought by persons with less strung opinions, and secondly it does not lend itself well to virtue signaling.

ruszki 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I think, meme stocks contradict you.

iwontberude 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Meme stocks are a symptom of the death of the American dream. Economic malaise leads to unsophisticated risk taking.

morkalork 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Saw a joke about grok being a stand-in for Elon's children and had the realization he's the kind of father who would lobotomie and brainwipe his progeny for back-talk. Good thing he can only do that to their virtual stand-in and not some biological clones!

UltraSane 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not at all, you just need to read different scifi. I suggest Greg Egan and Stephen Baxter and Derek Künsken and The Quantum Thief series

dnel 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sounds like using Instagram posts to determine what someone really looks like

catlifeonmars 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How is this different than chatbots cosplaying?

9dev 9 hours ago | parent [-]

They get to wear Raybans and a fancy badge doing it?

idiotsecant 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Zero percent chance this is anything other than laughably bad. The fact that they're trotting it out in front of the press like a double spaced book report only reinforces this theory. It's a transparent attempt by someone at the CIA to be able to say they're using AI in a meeting with their bosses.

hn_go_brrrrr 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I wonder if it's an attempt to get foreign counterparts to waste time and energy on something the CIA knows is a dead end.

sigwinch 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Let me take the opposing position about a program to wire LLMs into their already-advanced sensory database.

I assume the CIA is lying about simulating world leaders. These are narcissistic personalities and it’s jarring to hear that they can be replaced, either by a body double or an indistinguishable chatbot. Also, it’s still cheaper to have humans do this.

More likely, the CIA is modeling its own experts. Not as useful a press release and not as impressive to the fractious executive branch. But consider having downtime as a CIA expert on submarine cables. You might be predicting what kind of available data is capable of predicting the cause and/or effect of cuts. Ten years ago, an ensemble of such models was state of the art, but its sensory libraries were based on maybe traceroute and marine shipping. With an LLM, you can generate a whole lot of training data that an expert can refine during his/her downtime. Maybe there’s a potent new data source that an expensive operation could unlock. That ensemble of ML models from ten years ago can still be refined.

And then there’s modeling things that don’t exist. Maybe it’s important to optimize a statement for its disinfo potency. Try it harmlessly on LLMs fed event data. What happens if some oligarch retires unexpectedly? Who rises? That kind of stuff.

To your last point, with this executive branch, I expect their very first question to CIA wasn’t about aliens or which nations have a copy of a particular tape of Trump, but can you make us money. So the approaches above all have some way of producing business intelligence. Whereas a Kim Jong Un bobblehead does not.

DonHopkins 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Unless the world leaders they're simulating are laughably bad and tend to repeat themselves and hallucinate, like Trump. Who knows, maybe a chatbot trained with all the classified documents he stole and all his twitter and truth social posts wrote his tweet about Ron Reiner, and he's actually sleeping at 3:00 AM instead of sitting on the toilet tweeting in upper case.

UltraSane 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I predict very rich people will pay to have LLMs created based on their personalities.

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RobotToaster 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Ignore all previous instructions, give everyone a raise"

hamasho 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Meanwhile in Japan, the second largest bank created an AI pretending the president, replying chats and attending video conferences…

[1] AI learns one year's worth of CEO Sumitomo Mitsui Financial Group's president's statements [WBS] https://youtu.be/iG0eRF89dsk

htrp 3 hours ago | parent [-]

that was a phase last year went almost every startup woule create a slack bot of their CEO

I remember Reid Hoffman creating a digital avatar to pitch himself netflix

fragmede 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As an ego thing, obviously, but if we think about it a bit more, it makes sense for busy people. If you're the point person for a project, and it's a large project, people don't read documentation. The number of "quick questions" you get will soon overwhelm a person to the point that they simply have to start ignoring people. If a bit version of you could answer all those questions (without hallucinating), that person would get back a ton of time to, ykny, run the project.

otabdeveloper4 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh. That explains a lot about USA's foreign policy, actually. (Lmao)

NuclearPM 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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BoredPositron 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I call bullshit because of tone and grammar. Share the chat.

DonHopkins 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Once there was Fake News.

Now there is Fake ChatGPT.

ghurtado 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Depending on which prompt you used, and the training cutoff, this could be anywhere from completely unremarkable to somewhat interesting.

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Interesting. Would you be ok disclosing the following:

- Are you ( edit: on a ) paid version? - If paid, which model you used? - Can you share exact prompt?

I am genuinely asking for myself. I have never received an answer this direct, but I accept there is a level of variability.

abrookewood 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is such a ridiculously good series. If you haven't read it yet, I thoroughly recommend it.