Turns out that an online certificate isn't worth anything when layoffs happen and the market is oversaturated with people who have real degrees. MOOCs have their place, but it's a very narrow set of disciplines.

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GuestFAUniverse 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

I work at a university and half of the coursework seems worse than the good MOOCs. Esp. the more practical ones.

(Might be a problem of that university, still ...)

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user_7832 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

It's probably not a uni specific issue. I went to a top EU uni, and there absolutely were courses that could've just been an ~~email~~ video. Admitedly not everything was bad, but the quality of education isn't as high as it should be.

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SoftTalker 5 days ago | parent [-]

We have a lot more students in university, and a lot more professors. Inevitably this means converging on "average."

	▲	GuestFAUniverse 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		More students _per course_ than a MOOC cohort? -- doubt. If you add up all courses of a while discipline, edu portals still serve way more students. In our department, about 20% reach a master. Sure that's more well rounded than a random bunch of courses, but it should be possible to even surpass the rigid choices of a lot of universities. I have no numbers for MOOCs at hand. If I had to guess: more like a gym: a lot of members, an order of magnitude less finishers? I personally prefer the interaction on campus. But I dislike the outdated content of a lot of professors -- I'm not arguing about basics that are still relevant, I mean their /SoTA/ from 5-15y ago.

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f6v 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Well, I work at a university too. At least in biomedicine, every MOOC is extremely shallow. The most advanced MOOC is an introductory-level when compared to the university courses.

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jsdwarf 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wouldn't be so tough on the online certificates. The key value I get out of Coursera is an unbeatable "time to knowledge" and some proof it was me who attended the course through the id verification. Compare that to traditional in-person education, where you are bound to fixed course dates, long approval timelines etc. Until you get feedback from HR that you are eligible for a course/training, i've probably already completed it via my Coursera complete subscription.

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ghaff 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not sure offline certificates mean a whole lot when layoffs matter either.

But MOOCs and other purely online options just didn't result in any meaningful certification especially outside of a connection to established universities. And, given that, people/companies weren't interested in paying significant bucks for them.

It was probably a useful experiment. Just not a very successful one. And once the experiment faltered, schools/professors became less interested in putting money and energy into it.

All the evidence is that most of the students/potential students who weren't already motivated to pursuing independent learning didn't really connect to all this online material.

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hexagonsuns 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Just wait until you find out that real degrees also aren't worth anything anymore

	▲	f6v 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		It's not a question whether they are or not worth something. It's just that it's a much more meaningful differentiator when there's an overabundance of talent. CVs are going to be filtered based on something. And people with no degree are going to have a much more difficult time getting through the automated screening. That will come as a surprise to people who were promised they'll get a job by paying $1000 for a "nano-degree".