I'm not at all a fan of GitHub actions, but come on, Hudson/Jenkins was a nightmare world, GitHub actions is a million times better

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paulddraper 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Jenkins is in every way a “Java” program, and not the good kind.

What you can say for it, is that it was free and near infinitely hackable.

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mrguyorama 5 days ago | parent [-]

I use Jenkins every single day, and have been using it my entire career through three different companies self hosting it.

Please tell me how we somehow have been hobbled despite having simple and clear pipelines setup that autobuild any branch we want and allow one click deploys to our preprod environment and automatically manage versioning and scalably handle load from "Literally zero" to "Everyone in the company wants to rebuild everything now" and goes down less than github.

What are we supposedly missing?

More importantly, what are we missing that tangibly improves results for our consumers?

	▲	paulddraper 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		Assuming all those three were post-Jenkinsfile, it’s pretty decent. Multibranch is still weird and obviously added-on. Writing plugins is ugly.

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terom 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Working with Jenkins CasC, JobDSL and declarative pipelines, I'm not sure where the million times comes from. Sure, there are some annoying parts, and GHA has the social network for reusable actions, but apart from that it's not that different.

Oldschool maven type jobs where you type shell script into a `<textarea>`? Yeah, let's not talk about those, but we don't have a single one left anymore.

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__float 5 days ago | parent [-]

Jenkins Groovy is awful and full of footguns. Have you ever run into a serialization exception?

It's too powerful and there are too many of its implementation details exposed to the user.

	▲	terom 5 days ago \| parent [-]
		I haven't seen a serialization exception, but I have run into plenty of footguns with YAML (ref GitHub Actions). The DSL semantics can be weird with when things like params/env expansions in options block are evaluated.