That makes much more sense. I wonder what the non-HN public thinks - most of those products, like Firefox OS, were essentially unknown outside HN-like populations. Pocket was better known.

But yes, that is part of trust and I'd like to see them address it.

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dabockster 6 days ago | parent [-]

Firefox is still heavily used by Linux OSes as the default browser. But I think that's mostly momentum at this point. If more people knew about Mozilla's organizational challenges, then I think Firefox would get ditched.

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mmooss 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

If they like the browser, why would they care about organizational challenges? Do Google's organization challenges cost them Chrome users?

	▲	palata 5 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Do they like the browser, or do they like the fact that it's not owned by Google? When I use Firefox, either it's because I don't have a choice (my distro doesn't ship Chromium in a way I like, i.e. not Flatpak) or because I make an effort to "support" Firefox. But once in a while, I need to use Chrom(ium) because the website doesn't work on Firefox. Not that it is necessarily Firefox' fault, but the fact remains that if Chrome was an independent non-profit, I would most likely use Chrome and not Firefox.
	▲	dabockster 3 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> Do Google's organization challenges cost them Chrome users? On the Enterprise side at least, absolutely.

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mh- 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I think a tangential interesting question is: how many monthly active users does Firefox have, that choose to use Firefox? Not people who "click the internet icon", etc.

Like you, I suspect the brand recognition and loyalty is much, much lower than many people in this thread believe it to be. Not talking about among the highly-technical HN audience; just at large.