It's likely caused by the very same thing that causes human beings to knowingly and willingly steal money from children that need that money to live.

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OscarTheGrinch 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Some people seem to exist in a bubble where they believe that nothing bad will ever happen to them or their loved ones, so paying to improve society has no benefit to themselves.

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Hendrikto 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Even if you never personally needed health insurance (which is unrealistic), you’d still benefit from a better, safer, less cut throat society.

Same with education. I am more than happy to pay taxes for an education system, even if I do not personally have children.

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catlikesshrimp 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There are both private and public health care systems. Private care is a complicated scam, the small print is tens of times the contract.

Public health systems vary with country. Private advocates say public sucks, until it is their turn to be scammed.

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mothballed 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What's 'paid' to the median child in education is a pittance compared to what the payers suck back out of them in old age during social security.

Public education is largely a scam to put 'original sin' of debt of children to society so when they grow up there is some plausible explanation that "we're a society" and they must feed into the pyramid scheme.

	▲	ChrisMarshallNY 15 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> What's 'paid' to the median child in education is a pittance compared to what the payers suck back out of them in old age during social security. I'm not sure what nation you're from, but here, in the US, we pay a fairly significant part of our wages towards something called "Social Security." If we pay a lot, during our working time, we can draw more, after retirement (and it is nowhere near a living wage -it was never meant to be). In my country, we pay for education with property taxes.
	▲	czl 15 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I hear you on intergenerational stuff. I just don’t think “public education is a scam” fits what most kids actually receive. Kids are not only getting classroom time. They inherit a whole baseline that previous taxpayers built: safer streets, clean water, courts that mostly function, vaccines, roads, libraries, stable money, and the accumulated tech and culture that makes modern jobs even possible. That bundle is huge, and it starts paying out long before anyone is old enough to “owe” anything. Also, adults are not literally trapped. People can move, downshift, opt out of a lot, or choose different communities. Most don’t, even when they complain loudly, and to me that’s a pretty strong signal the deal is at least somewhat reasonable. Not perfect. Not fair for everyone. But not a cartoon pyramid scheme either. If there’s a real fight worth having, it’s making the burdens and benefits less lopsided across generations, not pretending the whole social investment in kids is fake.

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DiscourseFan 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

But charitable causes perpetuate the problems by creating an industry around them rather than trying to find solutions for them. You can’t trust industry to solve civil problems like healthcare or housing, since they shouldn’t be problems in the first place. Its like trying to trust the free market to keep people from raping and killing each other—people will rape and kill with or without the market! Some level of coercion is necessary that free market principles cannot employ.

	▲	sarchertech 13 hours ago \| parent [-]
		This isn’t about free market vs single payer healthcare. These kids are from poor countries. Unless you’re arguing for rich countries to offer literal worldwide healthcare.

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gmerc 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You mean what's happening right now in US healthcare?

	▲	jonhohle 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The fact that ACA is an insurance scam as opposed to healthcare reveals who is in control.

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lo_zamoyski 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It's likely caused by the very same thing that causes human beings to

We’re not billiard balls. We have agency. Nothing causes a human being to choose to commit immoral acts vs. immoral acts. A human being may be put in a situation that may entice that person’s corrupt desires (we used to call this temptation), and responsibility while mitigating culpability is possible when someone’s rational faculties are overwhelmed, but the choice remains.

Blaming systems for theft is scapegoating and an evasion of responsibility. (To make this clearer by distinction: a starving man taking bread from an overstocked warehouse during a famine is not choosing to commit an immoral act; he isn’t stealing in the first place, as some share of that bread is his).

	▲	pixl97 11 hours ago \| parent [-]
		This really doesn't explain why particular places and times in history have much higher crime levels. If what you said was true then rule of law would have been the standard throughout history... it has not been.

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ivape 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Thought experiment:

Let’s say I have a bag of bread, and I pass them down one by one expecting people to only keep one. You decide to keep two.

The human’s reasoning is often bulletproof:

I don’t have enough. You do. I’d didn’t steal from the person next to me, I took it from someone with plenty

^ No where in that reasoning is the possibility that in the aggregate, if enough people do that, you steal from each other.

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Insecurity needs to be rehabilitated before any form of support can be provided. Otherwise you get toxic results. How could charity possible go wrong? Easy - bad hearts are left untreated.

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cwillu 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

“

Today a hope of many years' standing is in large part fulfilled. The civilization of the past hundred years, with its startling industrial changes, has tended more and more to make life insecure. Young people have come to wonder what would be their lot when they came to old age. The man with a job has wondered how long the job would last.

This social security measure gives at least some protection to thirty millions of our citizens who will reap direct benefits through unemployment compensation, through old-age pensions and through increased services for the protection of children and the prevention of ill health.

We can never insure one hundred percent of the population against one hundred percent of the hazards and vicissitudes of life, but we have tried to frame a law which will give some measure of protection to the average citizen and to his family against the loss of a job and against poverty-ridden old age.

This law, too, represents a cornerstone in a structure which is being built but is by no means complete. It is a structure intended to lessen the force of possible future depressions. It will act as a protection to future Administrations against the necessity of going deeply into debt to furnish relief to the needy. The law will flatten out the peaks and valleys of deflation and of inflation. It is, in short, a law that will take care of human needs and at the same time provide for the United States an economic structure of vastly greater soundness.

I congratulate all of you ladies and gentlemen, all of you in the Congress, in the executive departments and all of you who come from private life, and I thank you for your splendid efforts in behalf of this sound, needed and patriotic legislation.

If the Senate and the House of Representatives in this long and arduous session had done nothing more than pass this Bill, the session would be regarded as historic for all time. ”

--Franklin D. Roosevelt

	▲	Atreiden 13 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I wish this was still what we meant by "Greatness" in America

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treetalker 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Trickle-down bread!