& the ATC audio on the same channel, but for the flight in TFA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUcs1LCjhcs

1) WTF is with the ATC in both of those

2) Why aren't the military craft listening to the local flight channel? Aren't you supposed to monitor local traffic? Especially when flying without a transponder? It's not like you can't listen to multiple channels at the same time!

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Suzuran 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Military aircraft mostly do not have civilian VHF radio, only military UHF radio. They can only communicate with civilian aircraft by using civilian ATC as a go-between, and only if the civilian ATC is equipped with military UHF radio. In the US, this military equipment is standard at civilian ATC sites for this reason.

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squigz 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What's wrong with the ATC in those videos?

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phil21 12 hours ago | parent [-]

For the business jet one, ATC vectored the private jet directly into the crossing traffic. Clearly a giant mistake.

	▲	squigz 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		That video has a limited and likely-not-accurate perspective of the planes. I'm not sure we can say it's "clearly" anything from that. Also, ATC said they were making irregular turns.

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LightBug1 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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