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cebert a day ago

I don’t think Microsoft realizes that this is not a positive for their brand.

MrMember a day ago | parent | next [-]

It's a positive for a nameless middle manager somewhere who can show their boss a graph with a line moving to the right and up with a title like "AI Adoption Across Platforms" and hit their bonus target.

DeepYogurt a day ago | parent | next [-]

This is 100% the why.

Uehreka a day ago | parent [-]

Whenever I see this much vehement agreement about something on HN, it sets off serious groupthink alarm bells.

Idk what the answer is, but it is not 100% this. It’s too simple and satisfying of an answer to be true.

dijit a day ago | parent | next [-]

I understand what you mean, but it does match MBA/mckinsey thinking very closely.

Make a metric a goal, work tirelessly towards that new metric.

Does it make the product better? Well, the product is already made- so it doesn’t make a difference.

It’s only software developers who think a product is never “done”- normal MBA thinking is “we have invested in R&D, now there is a product, how do we get as many users of our product as possible”.

array_key_first 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You don't think the reason we have seemingly broken optimization is because poorly thought out metrics are being gamed?

That's all its been for the last few decades. Everyone is now "data driven" and "metrics oriented". That's a footgun - if people can game it, they will, and numbers don't say what people think they say.

dax_ a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Normally I would agree, but I've seen this happen too often. Common sense be damned, just make the number look good.

nticompass 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

3 Billion Devices run Java, I mean Copilot.

rolph a day ago | parent | prev [-]

if you work in a restauraunt, and decide salt is cheaper than sugar, and fill the bowls like that, someone will find out, like your manager.

telling your boss we are selling sugar, when its actually salt, is a good recipe for footgunning.

weikju a day ago | parent | next [-]

No, the boss is asking for more salt. Employees are then replacing sugar with salt and getting bonuses, no matter what the customer reactions are.

colejohnson66 a day ago | parent [-]

And then word gets around that you put salt in coffee instead of sugar, and people stop going to you. Unless you’re the only deli in town.

weikju a day ago | parent | next [-]

But all the other delis are doing it as well. So is your supermarket. So is your farmer (somehow they figured out how to add salt to the veggies they sell at the farmer's market!)... Whaddya gonna do? Grow your own? THE SEEDS SHALL HAVE SALT TOO, has been decreed...

xgkickt 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Then your social media & newsfeeds are buzzing about salted coffee, and your work has mandated salt in the coffee, insisting that it increases productivity, and if you’re not partaking you might fail your next performance review.

reactordev a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

“We’d like to introduce you to Copilot Enterprise”…

Yes, the only deli in town. Office, Server, Desktop, now your TV, pretty soon your car.

baby_souffle a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> And then word gets around that you put salt in coffee instead of sugar, and people stop going to you.

Right, but that's somebody elses problem a few quarters from now.

malfist a day ago | parent [-]

I got my promo for increasing salt adoption, what do I care? I'm jumping ship next week

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lamontcg a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> Unless you’re the only deli in town.

pretty much.

back in the before times, we broke up AT&T, but we don't do that anymore.

readthenotes1 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Accountability and responsibility are not so clear and large, insanely profitable, behemoths like Microsoft.

themafia a day ago | parent [-]

Yea, and that's the reason we pay taxes and tolerate a government, they're supposed to provide a counter force to this apparent corruption.

hiddencost a day ago | parent | prev [-]

You've clearly never worked at a large tech company

shermantanktop a day ago | parent [-]

“In Q2 our P0 goal is to deliver Project Footgun. Your focus on delivering this important goal will put us in a good position to finally fund your favorite tech debt projects.”

malfist a day ago | parent [-]

Its now Q2, you worked your ass off on delivering Project Footgun, excitedly signing in the next morning to work on that tech debt to a message from your manager that the PMs didn't see value in the P1's and were transitioning to Project Footgun 2.0 The Shotgun

bobbybarnaclebb a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They don’t care. The customer service era is over.

nerdponx a day ago | parent [-]

It doesn't matter if consumers don't like it if everyone does it. The only choice remaining then is to put up with it or not have a TV at all.

binary132 a day ago | parent | next [-]

“Not have a TV at all” is a perfectly reasonable choice many people are making now.

nerdponx 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Sure, that works for TVs. Less so for things like refrigerators and cars. Getting fixated on one particular market obfuscates the big picture.

hyperadvanced a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can get a 10 or 20 or 30 year old TV. They still work.

goku12 a day ago | parent [-]

I see that we have already entered the post-apocalyptic scavenging stage?

hyperadvanced 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

On the contrary, new stuff is cheap and abundant, it’s just optimized for price and quality at the expense of UX. 20 years ago setting up a new TV required plugging in wires and shit. Now it just means installing the walled garden OS, logging in, and handing over your data for collection. Based on the number of people who are OK with this, it’s hard to imagine it changing without people choosing something else.

saltcured 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I turns out hardly anybody pays enough attention to notice an apocalypse

drnick1 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can buy a "smart TV" and keep it offline. Use it as a monitor for a PC running Linux, from which you stream from your browser or dedicated apps like VacuumTube (Youtube Leanback).

goku12 a day ago | parent | next [-]

> You can buy a "smart TV" and keep it offline.

For how long? Eventually, it will end up like Windows login. It won't work without an online account. In the meanwhile, they will soft corece you into adopting it by using passive aggression. They will slow down the bootup to a crawl, unless you connect it online. Those times are already really bad - CRT monitors used to heat up faster.

The ultimate point is, if you have to make compromises to retain your rights, then you might as well have no rights at all. You're already well on your way there.

1718627440 a day ago | parent [-]

At the same time TV companies are shifting to releasing video files on websites. You simply will only buy a larger monitor/projector and access the video with your computer.

SunlitCat a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Sadly, you get sometimes forced that "smart stuff" if you want it or not.

Had to order large tv sets at work, got LG ones. Working mostly fine as dumb displays (for some connected device, delivering the pictures and using HDMI ARC to switch on both at once) but here and there, users are put to the home menu of the LG TV if something fails and need to click through some icons to get to the HDMI input and if you dare to connect them online you get that "Update" notification, when an update is available (even when you disabled auto update).

Lio a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It's a creepy tech cartel.

rolph a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

its none too good for LG either;

also: i think this sort of behaviour is exactly how you chill updates of any sort. it may take a while but when it is publicly salient that updates are sophies choice, and large pie slices of devices stay stock and unconnected, that will dry up that watering hole.

paranoia regarding un-updated devices will give way to paranoia regarding updates being used to screw you into something you would never consent to.

klipklop a day ago | parent | next [-]

Next step is having cell modems in the TVs so you can’t stop updates and invading your privacy.

happymellon a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I've had this with Android updates.

When you remove my ability to see if a Bluetooth device is connected with a security update, why would I willingly install any more of your updates?

stackghost a day ago | parent [-]

Which update are you referring to? I don't have this behavior on my Pixel, which updated itself yesterday.

happymellon 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, I should have said "Samsung" rather than Android for that, however I stopped with the Pixels when my Pixel 3 (I think?) received an update which caused buzzing in the earpiece, and every "fix" didn't fix it.

Though I think the 3 received the buggiest updates of any phone ever.

happymellon a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It was the Samsung Android 15 update from earlier this year.

https://www.reddit.com/r/samsunggalaxy/comments/1kjjeqo/how_...

egorfine a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They force AI demand to show it to the shareholders. So they couldn't care less whether that's positive on the receiving end.

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senectus1 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

they wont take much of a hit on the brand because of this, so they'll make up for that in marketing elsewhere.

this will however give them huge amounts of information... its a loss leader for them.