It's too late to matter. Try finding someone under 30 who isn't already a zionist that has anything positive to say about Israel. It's like pulling teeth.

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Nasrudith 2 days ago | parent [-]

Given how loosely zionism is defined that is pretty much a tautology. There is no definition of zionist in use here, it is just vibes based 'reasoning'. Zionist is rhetorically used to maintain their political bubble.

They cannot say if for instance a moderate and nuanced opinion ("October 7th was legitimate causus beli -but blocking aid is a hard crossing of the lines.") is Zionist or not. Let alone statements like "Israel has a right to exist." qualify.

There is plenty of motte and bailey to go around and the truth has already been buried in an unmarked grave.

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anonym29 a day ago | parent [-]

On what planet is Zionism loosely defined? Go ask young people - Zionism is support for the existence of an Israeli state.

Outside of Jewish and Zionist Christian circles (which make up a tiny minority), virtually everyone under 30 can be lumped into the "not a fan of Israel" camp. The only question is a matter of degree.

A third of them think Israel was too heavy-handed in the response to 10/7.

Another third are cheering for 10/7 and chanting "from the river to the sea".

The final third are quiet about it in person, but behind pseudonyms online, are denying the holocaust while simultaneously asserting that jewish people deserved it.

Seriously, go talk to people under 30.

Jewish people are in for a very rude awakening as the loudest non-Jewish defenders of Israel and of Zionism, the boomers, die out.

This is absolutely not an endorsement of antisemitism, or of violence or threats of violence being directed at anyone, which is always wrong, but if I were Jewish and living in the US or western Europe, I'd already have started making plans to flee/escape. Just because what is happening is morally wrong doesn't mean it isn't happening.

	▲	mikkupikku 19 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I do believe you're right. As the American babyboomers die out, Israel is going to find itself without any allies. Young people are through with them.