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Razengan 7 hours ago

> Fidesz is basically a russian backdoor

I love (hate) this:

Western rich people are billionaires.

Russian rich people are oligarchs.

Western-backed leaders are democratic, progressive etc.

Others are backdoors.

China is tricky because they make our iPhones. For now

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Meanwhile, there's almost nothing on the news or social spaces about how indigenous populations are still fighting for independence from Western colonizers, such as New Caledonia, an amazing place that I was planning to visit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6S1AFh88PE

(I don't know where else to mention this, this conversation seemed close enough to be relevant)

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osiris970 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Equating the west, to Russia is such an unserious opinion. The west has it's problems, don't get me wrong, but generally we have liberal democracies, which are more free, successful, better on human rights, and have the capability to improve the world(as it has).

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pixl97 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Russia is an interesting case as it has a president for life (China has gone this way too) and if your billions aren't available to said president you fall out a windows. The US is diving towards an oligarchy but I'm not seeing our billionaires fall out a window or disappearing when they say the wrong thing.

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raincole 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah because in the US the billionaires actually run the country.

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ChadNauseam 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I wish that were true but it's not. If billionaires ran the country we wouldn't be starting trade wars and restricting immigration.

	▲	raincole 5 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		During trading war the US stock skyrocketed. We live in an era where the wealthiest are made by devaluing fiat and moving the purchase power from average citizens to the richest ones. Creating value, if people are still doing that, is mere a byproduct now.
	▲	boston_clone 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		the net worth of the current president is several billion dollars. that is the same person who ran a crypto pump-and-dump scheme in their first month back in office. billionaires may have competing interests and also act irrationally.

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Razengan 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The US is diving towards an oligarchy but I'm not seeing our billionaires fall out a window

Probably because it -IS- an oligarchy? Why would they chuck themselves out of windows?

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vkou 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> but I'm not seeing our billionaires fall out a window or disappearing when they say the wrong thing.

This doesn't happen overnight. You need to thoroughly corrupt the judiciary (which has not yet been accomplished, even if SCOTUS and a number of lower court appointments and many of the federal prosecutors have been) first. [1]

Or, alternatively, just go full fucking might-makes-right police state, for which ICE's blatant disregard for the law and your rights is a trial run.

If the country is ever retaken from this, the guilty will have to be punished. Deprivation of rights under color of law is, incidentally, a capital crime.

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[1] The end-game for this sort of thing is 'Punch a nazi -> Go to a camp'. 'Nazi punches you -> Pardon and a pat on the back'. Rule of law is anathema to these people, which is why they put so much effort into corrupting it.