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roenxi 8 hours ago

It is in the EU's interests to get on with Russia, and the Russians haven't crossed any important lines that the US hasn't crossed in recent history. The EU would probably benefit from having more Russian involvement in their policy making, they could do a much better job of promoting peace in Europe if they spent more time communicating with major powers in Europe.

ordinaryradical 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Of course it is in their interest. The problem is that Russia only knows how to bully, oppress, or violently interfere with their neighbors.

You cannot get along with a tiger who only regards you as a meal.

roenxi 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Taking that as a given, the EU doesn't have to be a neighbour of Russia. If they have problems with Russia as a neighbour then they shouldn't be trying to expand the EU into a country that not only neighbours Russia but is currently at war with them. Russia is one of the few powers who's borders have retreated in my lifetime. It is impressive how quickly the EU expanded to but up against them again.

Taking it as not a given, Hungary seems to think that negotiation is possible.

samastur 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

EU has been a neighbour of Russia since a very long time as Finland joined EU in 1995. Not being a neighbour hasn’t been an option in a very long time as there are now several countries bordering it. Beside EU is not a military alliance so why should it matter?

Russia has only ever expanded, but since you seem to be wrong just about everything no surprise there.

hkpack 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Russia is one of the few powers who's borders have retreated in my lifetime

What part of russian border retreated in your lifetime?

jazzyjackson 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Suppose they're conflating Soviet Union with Russia

nephihaha 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Chechnya did briefly.

mopsi 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Spreading this expansion narrative is intellectually dishonest. For decades, the power balance has been such that Eastern Europe has sought to join Western cooperation platforms like the EU, against lukewarm reception from existing members.

France was cautious about East Germany joining the EU, fearing economic strain. Germany had reservations about Poland. Poland generally supports Ukraine's membership, but remains concerned about security and migration. And so it goes.

Attempts to depict this as the EU somehow forcing itself eastward are 100% pure bullshit. New members have generally had to fight an uphill battle to gain entry into the union. They are usually poorer, work for lower wages, and undermine the economies of existing members of the common market until economic development levels catch up in a few decades.

gherkinnn 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Doubt it. Appeasing hasn't worked. I don't know what would, but polishing Putin's shoes doesn't help. As for the US, least they have the chance to oust their emperor in three years.

ponector 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also it's in the EU interest to sanction russia to the bankruptcy, wait for implosion and buy for pennies all available resources.

david422 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No.