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conception 3 days ago

This thread is person after person saying “oh wow, person who sells terrible thing for humanity doesn’t let their kids have unlimited access to terrible thing! It’s so obvious. This isn’t news.”

The news is that the CEO of youtube is saying that Youtube is something that should be limited and he thinks harm will come to his children if he does not. This may be obvious to people on this site but a lot of normal people think it’s fine. It’s shocking as for a lot of people it’s more like “CEO of cucumber farm limits cucumbers for their child!” As that’s how Google markets youtube for kids.

dachris 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Lots of normal people don't think it's fine.

Lots of parents limited their kids' TV (television, you know) time back in the day (mine sure did, thanks mum and dad, even though I didn't particularly approve of the restriction back then).

Now you have to limit smartphone (and tablet and PC and TV) time. Lots of parents do this already, CEOs are not alone.

Gud 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

The television set was never in every kids pocket, though. And obviously "lol don't buy your kid a smartphone then lol". sure, easy to say, but the world is getting more and more connected.

danielbarla 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Availability is definitely a factor, but I feel that a far more important aspect is that a YouTube feel is personalised. It's A/B testing you for weeks on end, and has a pretty good idea of how to get maximum engagement. TV was never this targeted, nor was there feedback to ratchet up what it suggested to you.

Forgeties79 2 days ago | parent [-]

Kids don’t stand a chance against decades of data/research and billions of dollars weaponized against human psychology to garner as much of your attention as possible at all times.

codedokode 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Kids should own a device with "adult" bit set to 0, so that they can only use government-approved applications and sites. Why government? Because parents are too lazy or dumb to configure anything and 90% will just let their children access whatever they want and the rest 10% will feel like losers who cannot watch the things all their classmates are allowed to watch.

amitav1 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

What happens when the kid eventually becomes an adult? They have to buy a new device? That seems like an really great way to create a bunch of unnecessary e-waste.

Also, letting Big Daddy Government control what we show the kids has got to be one of the worst ideas I've heard. Propaganda machines that parents have no power over? No thanks. That seems like the most likely outcome of this sort of measure. Next thing you know, every computer will also have a "activist" and "journalist" bit; once you normalize role-based access controls, the catgories will only ever expand.

Forgeties79 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Ehhh I’m more of a “hybrid model” guy myself. I do think the government should be more involved in regulating what these companies can do to us and how they can use our data, but I’m not really in to your vision of how involved they are in apps directly (imagine that kind of power with the Trump administration).

Meanwhile I do think parents should not be expected to literally handle every element of this because it’s just not possible to have eyes on every bit of media/entertainment/etc our kids can find. That being said it is our responsibility to educate our kids on some level, so we can’t just expect to pass the buck entirely to external systems. I do think it’s reasonable to expect some basic guardrails though.

Needs to be a little bit of effort and restriction across the board.

Gud 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

By our generations “best and brightest”, supposedly.

At least, most well compensated.

Shame on you, if you work for these organisations.

kjkjadksj 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Plus a lot of the times there was nothing interesting to watch on TV even if you did have it in front of you.

onlyhumans a day ago | parent | prev [-]

What is a better way to get your kids to behave than to let them scroll TikTok with headphones on for hours? Phone is a babysitter nowadays.

dmix 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To me it seems like basic parenting to limit access to tech.

It wasn’t healthy for kids to just play video games every day for 5hrs straight after school in the 90s either. But that also doesn’t mean they should never have had a PlayStation or all gaming is bad.

ragequittah 2 days ago | parent [-]

The research on video games indicates that it tends to enhance certain skills like spatial awareness and reflex time. They're also pretty decent social / competitive outlets.

The research on social media indicates that it lowers attention span and increases anxiety, depression, and anger. And my personal opinion is it's the reason we're seeing crazy things that I can't fathom happening without it like the measles resurgence.

Neither should be used for 5 hours a day but the consequences don't seem comparable to me. The only place they do align is you should probably be exercising more instead.

theshrike79 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I personally think Youtube itself is just fine. It has parental controls and I can block channels etc.

What isn't fine is YOUTUBE FUCKING SHORTS. It's by far the worst of the infinite content producers in the world because automated uploads are so easy compared to the other platforms and there is no way to block it completely from kids without just banning all of Youtube. It _needs_ to have a separate setting.

just_once 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hacker News is not representative of the average person in often very bad ways.

dzhiurgis 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So you kinda saying youtube for kids should limit itself to N hours per day per IP address / device?

Perhaps australia should’ve implemented such limitations. Burden of enforcement on big tech since the have billions to spend anyway.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's also person after person telling people to parent harder.

irl_zebra 3 days ago | parent [-]

It's a responsibility, probably (definitely, I think, but minimally probably) the most important job and responsibility one can have. If you're on HN, then you likely recognize the brain rotting effect of social media without moderation, and if that's the case, your responsibility is to parent to the minimum amount that you moderate your kids' usage.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3 days ago | parent [-]

Yep. And people parent harder by banning social media entirely. Problem solved!

bdangubic 3 days ago | parent [-]

this is exactly what hard parenting is all about. I do “as long as you under my roof…” bit (6 more years to go…) :)

2OEH8eoCRo0 3 days ago | parent [-]

I think the problem is that parents don't know that it's bad so they don't limit but this CEO apparently knows! Many parents are addicts themselves

bdangubic 2 days ago | parent [-]

honest question - do you really think that (most) parents do not know that it is bad?! This “CEO” stuff is not new, Steve Jobs famously said the same thing about his own devices…

naian 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I doubt “a lot of people” think spending all day watching YouTube is fine; this sounds hyperbolic.

conception 2 days ago | parent [-]

Studies on screen time with toddlers and infants don’t paint a rosy picture on it.

tstrimple 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Seems like a pathetic appeal to authority to me. Why should I care what weird idiosyncrasies billionaires have? I'm sure they have tons of things they don't want their children learning that a lot of people would consider to be trivial. In my mind this goes back to whether you model children as property that you own or individual humans you're hoping to introduce to the world in the best way you understand how. It sucks that other people's children are going to youtube to turn off their brains. But my kids are excelling because of it and similar services. My girls are constantly trying new things because of what they see on social media and youtube. My 12 year old daughter already plays flute, violin and cello but wants to pick up the saxophone because of content she has consumed. We get everything from weird science experiments to a desire to try sewing or knitting. When people talk about the "dangers" of the internet and social media I struggle to understand what they mean because it's always been an enabler to me to excel. Somewhere along the way so called "hackers" wanted to create safe spaces to completely isolate their children from any variables the world can throw at them and I just cannot understand the mentality.