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| ▲ | wiseowise 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | So taking a wrong turn should result in you being mugged, raped and subsequently killed because apparently there was some "safe", but less convenient, passage?
You're not helping OSS by making claims like these. | | |
| ▲ | noitpmeder 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Obviously you're being facetious, that is not at all what that poster is claiming. While I agree that entering a dark alley shouldn't result in ill effects, if ill effects happen in said dark alley it is still worth the discussion to remind people to stay out of dark alleys in today's day and age (or until the root problem, whatever it is, is improved). Pretending that it is OK to enter dark alleys and forcing blame elsewhere will continue to have people unwittingly enter dark alleys. | | |
| ▲ | lapcat 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > While I agree that entering a dark alley shouldn't result in ill effects, if ill effects happen in said dark alley it is still worth the discussion to remind people to stay out of dark alleys in today's day and age (or until the root problem, whatever it is, is improved). This is not a dark alley. It's the main street. It's the world we live in. iPhone has more than half the market share in the US and well over a billion users worldwide. Moreover, Apple, Google, and Microsoft collectively monopolize consumer operating systems on both mobile and desktop. Try going into a retail store and buying a computing device that is not running iOS, Android, macOS, or Windows. That's the reality for most people. The dark alleys are the non-mainstream options that hardly anyone knows about. | | |
| ▲ | chongli 3 days ago | parent [-] | | To further stretch the analogy: the main street is now full of potholes, sinkholes, and even landmines. The root problem is that, in exchange for convenience, we as a society have ceded too much power to these large businesses and we are now paying the price for it. We have bought the proverbial monorail [1] and now we are stuck with it. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taJ4MFCxiuo | | |
| ▲ | lapcat 3 days ago | parent [-] | | > The root problem is that, in exchange for convenience, we as a society have ceded too much power to these large businesses and we are now paying the price for it. I don't know why some people have made "convenience" into a dirty word. Almost everything we do is for convenience. You could live in a remote log cabin with no electricity and grow/hunt your own food, separating yourself from most of society, but that wouldn't be convenient or pleasant. Individual consumers have very little power over the market. There's a collective action problem, which is why governments and regulation exist... or should exist. The way I see it, the root problem is a massive failure by (corrupt) governments to protect consumer rights. | | |
| ▲ | chongli 3 days ago | parent [-] | | How do governments become corrupt in the first place though, if they don't start that way? It's collective action problems all the way down. Perhaps the root problem is that we've blown too far past Dunbar's number to be able to deal with the societies we live in. All of these systems we've contrived to mitigate the trust problem are full of holes. As for convenience, that carries a tradeoff. All of the technology and all of the revolutions we've had (agricultural, industrial, information technology) have come with these tradeoffs. Even the log cabin has downsides compared to the nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyle. | | |
| ▲ | lapcat 3 days ago | parent [-] | | > How do governments become corrupt in the first place though, if they don't start that way? I think the US government did start that way. Maybe not "corrupt" as such, but the United States was founded by plutocrats and was clearly designed to protect the minority of plutocrats against mass democracy. > Even the log cabin has downsides compared to the nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyle. Yes, but I'd say the nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyle has even greater downsides, and our current state of convenience is in many ways a vast improvement over the precarious existence of our distant ancestors. |
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| ▲ | wiseowise 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | There are 1.5 BILLIONS of iOS users. Is that what you call a dark alley? This is a broad day, city center attack. | | |
| ▲ | rvnx 3 days ago | parent [-] | | So many asslickers of Apple here, blaming the victim when clearly anyone could be the next victim. The same issue with clouds like Google Cloud that can charge you 100k USD tomorrow just because of someone doing a loop of wget on a cdn endpoint. The real solution is to have a neutral, efficient and formal process under supervision of regulators to have such case escalated and handled. I already see all the tech-bros coming: “you see it was not an issue, they reinstated the account after you posted” while ignoring there are silent victims. | | |
| ▲ | iamnothere 2 days ago | parent [-] | | If I entrust money to someone who I know to be a thief, and then he runs off with it, how am I not at least partially culpable for my own negligence? Obviously the thief is the criminal and deserves to be punished and to pay restitution, but the idiot who should know better isn’t blameless. One can express a need for regulation while also being aghast that people are still falling for the cloud scam, despite the overwhelming evidence that it is indeed a scam. | | |
| ▲ | wiseowise 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > I know to be a thief A trillion dollar company with premium hardware and software that has more than 50% smartphone share in US and is used by 1.5 billion people worldwide is not "know to be a thief". Your rant is essentially a crazy hobo stashing cash under his mattress and calling anyone using a bank idiot. | | |
| ▲ | iamnothere a day ago | parent [-] | | Banks, except for Wells Fargo, are not known to steal your money. Cloud services, however, are well-known for this kind of thing, especially in tech circles. Most people think it’s so rare that it won’t happen to them. And they are right, statistically, but they don’t consider the outsized impact if they are wrong. Most people don’t save enough to handle an emergency, even if they have the cash flow for it. Most people don’t do basic, cheap preparation for a natural or manmade disaster. Most people don’t do at least minimal planning to make life easier for their families and loved ones if they are incapacitated or die, until very late in life. Most people are indeed idiots. |
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| ▲ | jama211 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Calling 1.5 billion people idiots because they use a service where this happened to like one guy is too much of a stretch. |
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| ▲ | xigoi 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | More like taking a deal with the devil and then being surprised that you lost your soul. | |
| ▲ | csomar 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's not what happened here though. The victim paid the muggers... so as you can see something is very wrong in this relationship. |
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| ▲ | jbs789 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Victim blaming is simply a way to feel comfortable that it won’t happen to you. The takeaway should be that it CAN happen to you. | | |
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| ▲ | left-struck 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Let’s be real, the number of people who read it approaches zero. Not only does no one read it but it seems like they are intentionally designed to be difficult to read. They are written by lawyers for lawyers, not for common people to read. | | |
| ▲ | hollow-moe 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | You don't even have to actually read them, just assume the worst case for the customer and you'll be right. | |
| ▲ | fmajid 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | LLMs actually do a good job at reading legalese, this may finally reverse the trend of corporations using inpenetrable language to screw over customers. Of course, that doesn't help in the US with its vicious Supreme Court endorsing the most blatant abuses under cover of binding aritration. |
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| ▲ | wiseowise 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And then what? Go to Google, Samsung, any other Android vendor and read the same TOS? There should be laws to protect people, instead of blaming victims. | |
| ▲ | trinix912 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Every single cloud storage provider has a generic cop-out clause in their TOS that allows them to lock you out of your account for no reason at all, with no legal obligation to provide any proper justification. This leaves you with just about zero cloud storage solutions that you can use. Yes, yes, you can rsync your files to your NAS. Now explain that to your non tech-savvy neighbors. |
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