We regulate medicine, nuclear technology, television, movies, monopolies, energy, financial services, etc. because these things can be harmful if left solely to the market. Americans value honest work, dignity, prosperity and equal opportunity. Innovation is useful in so far as it enables our values - regulation is not counter to Americans interests, it protects them.

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XenophileJKO 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I feel like anyone making this argument hasn't studied how those regulations happened.

They ALL happened AFTER people got hurt. That's how we do things here. We always have.

It's kind of messed up, but the alternative is a bunch of rules on things that wouldn't be a real problem.

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true_religion 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Who got hurt before the US banned the export of cryptography?

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XenophileJKO a day ago | parent | next [-]

That wasn't in the list above. We were talking primarily about consumer/market protections.

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true_religion 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Rubyfan mentioned nuclear technology, which like cryptography, has a broad scope and military applications so isn’t something that was just left to the market to decide the best fit.

I don’t think I’ve left the scope of this discussion.

	▲	XenophileJKO 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I was more talking about the consumer radiation side. Radium water to drink, women licking and painting radium watch dials. Toy physics kits for kids with uranium in it. Uranium glass also isn't great. I mean the radium fad just by itself was pretty crazy, people used radium suppositories and radium makeup.

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Cyph0n a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The CIA, probably.

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naasking a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Cracking Enigma was a big deal in WW2. Germany got hurt real bad.

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rubyfan a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s a lot harder to put the genie back in the bottle once out.

AI is already hurting people. We need regulation to hold it and its benefactors accountable. The federal government is preempting states from doing so.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgerwp7rdlvo

https://apnews.com/article/chatbot-ai-lawsuit-suicide-teen-a...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-teen-confided-in-an-ai-c...

https://www.pcmag.com/news/openai-sued-by-7-families-for-all...

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/chatgpt-murder-suicide-...

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/tens-thousand...

https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/17/tech/electricity-bill-price-i...

	▲	XenophileJKO a day ago \| parent [-]
		I don't think you realize the level of damage it generally takes to get bipartisan support for creation of an oversight body. It was popularized that an estimated 8,000 infant deaths attributed to swill milk occured every year in NYC in the 1850s (take with a grain of salt). Even more recently much of the banking regulation only occured after severe market issues that broadly impacted the economy. On a related note: "Layoffs" are going to be a hard practical harm point to rally around. Unless we fundamentally change the nature of our economy (Which doesn't tend to happen until the previous system collapses.), effeciency is king. Tha market isn't rational, but effeciency is a competitive advantage that compounds over time. So you have a prisoners dilemma here. If you want to restrict a technology that boosts efficiency, you either have to close your market and then put up rules that constrain efficiency or you bleed your prosperity.

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miohtama 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

The latter is called the EU.

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myaccountonhn 2 days ago | parent [-]

Why?

	▲	__MatrixMan__ a day ago \| parent [-]
		Because that's what the people who made all of those rules decided to call themselves.

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andsoitis 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> We regulate medicine, nuclear technology, television, movies, monopolies, energy, financial services, etc.

Many of those regulations at the federal level, yes?

	▲	alterom 2 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		>Many of those regulations at the federal level, yes? In addition to ones at state level, yes.
	▲	windexh8er 2 days ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Sure. And this is not that. This says: before we begin to think about our policy let's make sure to remove any barriers for Mr. Altman and friends so that they don't get sucked down with their Oracle branded boat anchor. If this had any whiff of actually shedding light on these needed regulations the root OP wouldn't have said what they did. But for now I'm going to head over to Polymarket and see if there are any bets I can place on Trump's kids being appointed to the OpenAI board.
	▲	eggsandbeer 2 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
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