| ▲ | drivingmenuts 2 days ago |
| Maybe it should be. The system here in the US has produced some great innovations at the cost of great misery among the non-wealthy. At a time when technology promises an easier life, it only seems to benefit the wealthy, while trying to discard everyone else. The light at the end of the tunnel is a 1%-er about to laughingly crush you beneath their wheels. |
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| ▲ | noduerme 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| I don't think this is the strongest argument. Every technological revolution so far has initially benefited the wealthy and taken a generation or two for its effects to lift the masses out of previous levels of poverty, but ultimately each one has. To me the stronger argument about AI is that this revolution won't. And that's because this one is not really about productivity or even about capital investment in things that people nominally would want (faster transport, cheaper cotton, home computers). This one is about ending revolution once and for all; it's not about increeasing the wealth of the wealthy, it's about being the first to arrive at AGI and thus cementing that wealth disparity for all perpetuity. It's the endgame. I don't know if that's true, but that's to me the argument as to why this one is exceptional and why the capitalist argument for American prosperity is inapplicable in this case. |
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| ▲ | dylan604 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't know about for all perpetuity. If history has shown, anyone that reaches the pinnacle eventually becomes complacent, technology improves by becoming faster/cheaper/smaller. That just means it is prime to always be susceptible to a new something coming along that stands on the shoulders of what came before without having to pay for it. They start where the current leader fought to achieve. | | |
| ▲ | Arodex 2 days ago | parent [-] | | The idea behind self improving AGI is that it will "get" every "new something coming along" before everyone else. | | |
| ▲ | mrwrong 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I personally believe magical unicorns are going to save us | |
| ▲ | Nasrudith a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Self-improving AI is a rhetorical sleight of hand to make you think that. Just because it can self improve doesn't mean it improves better than everything else or without substantial costs to develop improvement. |
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| ▲ | tehjoker a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | We have had the capacity to have zero poverty for many decades, maybe over a century. China eliminated extreme poverty. | | |
| ▲ | noduerme a few seconds ago | parent [-] | | So has America. But the definition of poverty is not absolute positioned, to borrow a CSS analogy. Poverty gets defined relative to wealth. Overall, this is a good thing. But knowing that your poverty is rich compared to the poverty of two generations ago doesn't satisfy humans who gauge their relative position and are unhappy with it. |
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| ▲ | hcurtiss 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I don’t know about that. The poor from just about every other country in the world seem desperate to live in America. While American capitalism has many faults, oppressing the bottom quintile is not one of them. The US median income is consistently top ten globally. |
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| ▲ | reeredfdfdf 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Median income doesn't tell much if you don't factor in the cost of living. My salary sucks compared to what I would earn in America, but when I factor in things like free healthcare, daycare and higher level education, I'm better off here. | | |
| ▲ | petcat a day ago | parent [-] | | What countries offer free daycare? I know there are a few in Europe. It's not super common, so I'm curious to know where | | |
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| ▲ | Arodex 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >The poor from just about every other country in the world seem desperate to live in America Immigration to the USA, both illegal and legal, has cratered. | |
| ▲ | Gud 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is completely wrong. Even “the poor” in most parts of the world has a pretty good life weight where they are. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hVimVzgtD6w&pp=ygUMSGFucyByb3N... |
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