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marcus_holmes 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

see [0] the original Palestine Action protestors, who were arrested in 2024 and are not likely to see trial until at the best May 2026, and some sources are saying January 2027.

They are being kept in remand, with no possibility of release, for at least two years, without being convicted of a crime.

This is legal because Palestine Action is a terrorist organisation and the UK passed some farcical laws aimed at preventing terrorism, that everyone pointed out at the time would be used against non-terrorists eventually. They are using this same law to arrest hundreds of people for doing nothing more than holding a placard.

In the UK, if the government can make a case that you are a terrorist, then arrest is absolutely the same as imprisons. And similar farcical laws are operating in most Western democracies.

[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqxq3g9g4eyo

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stickfigure 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's not reassuring in the slightest.

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cyanydeez 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Is it reassuring that some of the speech is a call to kill other people both online and in the strwets?

Do you even descern any difference?

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OJFord 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Not in the slightest?

	▲	junon 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		No.

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ethanwillis 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, let me just arrest you over some text and hold you for a couple of days.

Surely no problem! But being serious if anything this is worse than no imprisonment. Why are they arresting so many people they don't have any grounds to jail longer term?

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iamacyborg 2 days ago | parent [-]

Days?

> The police can hold you for up to 24 hours before they have to charge you with a crime or release you.

> They can apply to hold you for up to 36 or 96 hours if you’re suspected of a serious crime, such as murder.

> You can be held without charge for up to 14 days if you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act.

https://www.gov.uk/arrested-your-rights/how-long-you-can-be-...

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marcus_holmes 2 days ago | parent [-]

but then once charged you can be held for years on remand [0], there is no limit to how long the court can take to actually getting around to holding your trial. The law says now 8 months, but (as this site says) people are held for years.

[0] https://legalknowledgebase.com/how-long-can-someone-be-held-...

	▲	cyanydeez a day ago \| parent [-]
		Yeah, and once your speech incites people to set a hotel full of people on fire, some of them can die forever! It really makes you think.

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oytis 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People do get imprisoned for "terrorist speech" to my best knowledge. Up to 15 years prison time if I understand the law correctly

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iamacyborg 2 days ago | parent [-]

You do realise what terrorist speech entails though, right?

	▲	vhcr 2 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/07/uk-palestine...
	▲	oytis 2 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Well, I know that it doesn't entail any terrorist actions that would justify the gravity of the punishment

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himinlomax 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A distinction without a difference.

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hayd 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

the process is the punishment

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ribosometronome 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

The parent comment specifically quoted both, making a citation for arrests fairly topical.

>Keep in mind the UK already arrests and imprisons vast numbers of people for speech offences

>>I think you’ve been spending too much time on Twitter

Did you miss it or are we moving the goalposts for some reason?

	▲	y0dogBut 2 days ago \| parent [-]
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