| ▲ | int32_64 2 days ago |
| It's so organic and grass roots and good for democracy™ that every single Western country suddenly decided that eliminating privacy online in lockstep was the top priority despite none of the ruling parties running on it as a platform or with any meaningful referendums from the voting public. But to what end? |
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| ▲ | varispeed 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Role and responsibilities of MI5 in law > The Security Service Act 1989 sets out our functions and gives some examples of the nature and range of threats we work to disrupt. > In summary, our functions are: > to protect national security against threats from espionage, terrorism and > sabotage, from the activities of agents of foreign powers, and from actions intended to overthrow or undermine parliamentary democracy by political, industrial or violent means Imagine you and I pay likely billions a year and these jokers just let asset managers like Larry Fink influence policies affecting fundamental rights of British people like it's nothing. The country is corrupt beyond belief and soon we will wake up in corporate prison as slaves. See: https://thewinepress.substack.com/p/tokenization-blackrocks-... https://www.cityam.com/reeves-and-starmer-meet-blackrocks-la... https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-digital-id-scheme-to-... |
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| ▲ | hexbin010 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | Your account is very curious. You constantly attack many British institutions (NHS, parliament, MI5 etc) and you're not a native English speaker. You claim to pay tax in the UK. You dislike many many aspects of the UK fundamentally so I'm curious, why stay? |
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| ▲ | tick_tock_tick 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Britain has been in love with this idea for decades at this point. It's not a surprise 1984 was British. But yes in the last ~20 years are so it's somehow become a top EU goal as well. |
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| ▲ | dmix 2 days ago | parent [-] | | 3-in-5 british people supported the Online Safety Act (age verification) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GxxNnMsWUAALm75?format=jpg&name=... Far more people strongly support it than strongly oppose The idea it's being done in spite of the public doesn't seem to track with reality. You also don't have to look very hard on social media to find lots of British people supporting strong government policing of the internet. | | |
| ▲ | tick_tock_tick a day ago | parent [-] | | I don't think I really implied the people of the UK didn't want it? The UK and most of Europe seemingly love the government policing their speech even in private communications. The concept of free expression basically doesn't exist in most of the UK/EU today and that's scary. |
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| ▲ | stebalien 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > democracy house of lords |
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| ▲ | blibble 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | they're subordinate to the commons it's really not a problem, they're essentially a reviewing chamber it works quite well | |
| ▲ | etothepii 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The House of Lords is the most democratic hereditary system in the world. The 90 of the 92 heredities are elected from amongst the available candidates. | |
| ▲ | u_sama 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | The house of lords is a stamping system at this point, and maybe a stopgap to authoritarianism. All power resides in the House of Commons which is elected The true issue lies in the fact that the Westminster style of government is de facto an elective tyranny, with no real checks and balances other than the misused ECHR | | |
| ▲ | EmptyCoffeeCup 2 days ago | parent [-] | | If this were true, the papers wouldn't have run an article yesterday bitching about the lords sending back the workers rights bill again. The commons may _eventually_ overrule them, but it takes time and costs political capital. The majority of our population want more law, more rules, more restrictions : they don't see the value or enjoyment in doing something, so they don't think anyone should be able to do it. Ask the average joe whether or not cars should prevent drivers from being able to "chose" to break the speed limit: You'll get a resounding "yes" 8/10 times - the value of freewill seems to be increasing lost on my country men. | | |
| ▲ | u_sama 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I actually dont think your comment invalidates mine. The house of lords cannot really do anything than be a pain in the ass by sending the bill 3 times. The commons will eventually outrule them if they have sufficient political capital. My comment on elective tyranny comes from the fact that if a trifecta of: leader/party mps/house of lords are aligned there is little to stop them. This done I think all of the debates around authoritarianism and censorship put too much blame on the government which seems to represent the views of the majority of people rather well. I think it also comes from the fact that the median age is older and older people are more conservative in their choices and thus more willing to put limitations on everything (and also the fucking boomers vote as a 25% bloc which imposes their choices on the remaining poplation i.e the infamous triple lock of retirements) |
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| ▲ | Barrin92 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >It's so organic and grass roots It is though. This is one of the few surveillance issues actually driven by grassroots organisations like (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Shout) in particular when it comes to adult content who have been at this globally for well over a decade. There's no shadowy cabal trying to age-restrict porn or social media, this is more like a modern day Carrie Nation. Puritanism always comes from the bottom up |
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| ▲ | stephen_g 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Collective Shout are a tiny fringe group, they have had a massively outsized impact because of some extremely effective and clever lobbying but few people here in Australia where they are based know about them (they're definitely not a household name by any stretch of the imagination). | |
| ▲ | Ferret7446 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Oh hey, that's the group that got payment processors to ban lots of legal content off of many platforms including Steam, all the while denying everything when the public outrage turned against them. Nothing speaks grassroots more than hiding when everyone hates what you're doing. | |
| ▲ | oncallthrow 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sorry, which grass roots group exactly campaigned for this? Which party’s manifesto was it on? | | |
| ▲ | slowmovintarget 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | "Never let a good crisis go to waste." The "think of the children!" argument has long been used by people in government to give themselves more power. In this case there's been a global effort to shut down unapproved speech. The government gains the power to censor and arrest for "bad speech" but it also gets to decide how the labels for the same are applied. There have been panel discussions and speeches on this at the WEF, and discussions of tactics for selling or pushing through this kind of legislation for at least a decade. That's how we got that video of John Kerry lamenting the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment. So under the aegis of "think of the children!" (which may or may not have come from "grass roots" organizations) you get a committee with the power to decide what speech is badthink or wrongthink, label it as such, and hand out arrest warrants for it. Disagree with policy: that's "hate" or "misinformation" or "inflammatory." Voice a moral opinion: that's "hate" or "bigotry" or "intolerance." Express doubt over a leader's actions: that's "misinformation" or "inflammatory." Fascinating that they're more worried about VPN use than about shutting down rape gangs. | | | |
| ▲ | Barrin92 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | In Britain in particular? The NSPCC, Molly Rose Foundation, IWF among a bunch of others. 70% of Brits are supportive of the online safety act[1], it's been supported by Conservatives, Labour and the SNP. There's simply no data in favor of the argument that this is a minority position or even some kind of conspiracy. Child safety is (not very surprisingly) usually a voter driven concern. You think banning people from social media is an idea coming from big tech and shadowy three letter agencies? What kind of sense does that make [1] https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-brit... | | |
| ▲ | qcnguy 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | YouGov panel always returns huge numbers for any 'safety' question that doesn't match data collected from other sources. It's a panel poll, the people being polled are weird and unrepresentative. | |
| ▲ | YurgenJurgensen 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Of course a poll that asks a leading question can get 70% in favour. It’s not a conspiracy by TLAs (the people they’re interested in won’t be fazed by these paper-thin measures) or big tech (this hurts their bottom line). It’s legacy media, who have lost a lot of ground to the Internet, and stand to lose nothing by making it worse, and coincidentally also have a captive audience of voters who wouldn’t know one end of a USB cable from another who simply don’t understand any of the downsides. |
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| ▲ | bamboozled 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| On the other hand, what's your solution for completely anonymous people to be infiltrating western democracies information space and spreading propaganda lies and falsehoods. I'm 100% not in favor of this level of authoritarianism, i'm just honestly curios what your solution is? Just let it continue? Let your children be subjected to misinformation about the holocaust etc? Let children be exploited and images of them being sexually assaulted just run wild online ? Again I'm just curious what the alternatives might? |
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| ▲ | admash 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | The alternative is to refuse to delegate the formation and development of the character of our children and culture to automated systems and regulatory policies. Engage with your children on topics that matter. Discuss the pros and cons of various viewpoints and political platforms with your friends and neighbors, colleagues and fellow bus-riders. We, ourselves, are the psychosocial immune system for society, and if we construct an environment in which we can not be exposed harmful concepts, then we will never learn how to respond and combat it when we inevitably are exposed to it. This is not to say that we should not actively work to prevent criminal acts, but that trying to establish a world in which such acts are impossible will cripple society in ways which will leave us vulnerable to much larger and more systemic abuses. Benjamin Franklin’s statement rings as true as ever, if in a rather updated context: “ They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” | | |
| ▲ | HWR_14 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > Engage with your children on topics that matter. And what do we do for the children who have parents who fail them. How do we even detect it in time to help those children? | | |
| ▲ | d0100 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | The answer is always money, just ask all the small, rich European countries that have no need for draconian measures against their citizens | |
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| ▲ | bamboozled 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Similar to the arguments about climate change and how we as individuals should tackle it. Not going to happen sorry. "If only we would just self organize into communities to protect childen..." ok. | | |
| ▲ | qcnguy 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Yes because self-organizing communities have never appeared anywhere in history. Just because you are afraid you can't win arguments doesn't mean you should get to impose your view by violence. Which is what you advocate for, when you say the government should impose your views on the population. | | |
| ▲ | bamboozled 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Quite an abrasive / overly defensive response, sorry you feel that way. Not trying to win an argument, I just haven't really got a solid answer. People just get passionate about how they should have a right to secret communications online, why all the burden should be on parents to protect kids from harmful substances, yet can't really give a good reason as to why that is. Yet on the other hand, those same people probably want to live in a world that is relatively safe from terrorism, sexual abuse etc. I just said I can understand why to some people, wanting to stop children having access to a VPN doesn't necessarily have to be this big secret government overreach conspiracy? Do I think we should have to have government surveillance software running on everyone's computer? No. I just understand more than a single perspective and I think those who seem to shoot these proposals down rarely give good arguments expect, basically, the government is out to get us, or it suits me the way it is now. |
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| ▲ | gloosx 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Education? |
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