| ▲ | richwater 2 days ago |
| EU countries seem to be obsessed with infringing upon their citizens privacy |
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| ▲ | Tor3 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| EU? Brexit, remember? When that's said, there are forces in the EU as well which try stunts like this, kind of, but in the EU there are at least lots of countries and lots of opposing voices. In the UK the situation is different. |
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| ▲ | g947o 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Good news, potentially coming to US soon as well: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/11/lawmakers-want-ban-vpn... |
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| ▲ | pavel_lishin 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't think this is limited to the EU. |
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| ▲ | jonathanstrange 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The UK is not an EU country. |
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| ▲ | burningChrome 2 days ago | parent [-] | | But would you agree going into people's houses and arresting them for mean tweets would be infringing on their civil liberties just a little bit? | | |
| ▲ | TheOtherHobbes 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Mean tweets - yes. Very obvious incitement to violence - no. | | |
| ▲ | burningChrome 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | So you would categorize these as "incitements to violence"? The recent arrest at London’s Heathrow airport of a noted Irish comedian, Graham Linehan, for the “crime” of three politically incorrect tweets A few months ago, police arrested a couple for messages shared in a WhatsApp chat group as six officers searched their home. Authorities arrested a grandmother for silently holding a sign outside an abortion clinic that said “Coercion is a crime, here to talk, if you want.” The wife of a conservative politician was sentenced to 31 months in prison for what police said was an unacceptable post. In contrast, a child molester was sentenced to 21 months in the slammer. And yet, something worse is happening that is being swept under the rug: A glaring example of this “wokeness” was exposed earlier this year by Elon Musk when he put the spotlight on how British authorities have for years turned a blind eye to notorious rape gangs made up primarily of Pakistani Muslim men who prey on vulnerable young girls. Musk was pilloried by the woke crowd for making this an issue. If not for his prominence, he most certainly would have been prosecuted. Thanks to Musk’s pressure, however, the British prime minister finally reversed course and ordered a probe. An extensive investigation has already found the scandal to be uglier and more widespread than previously supposed. https://www.forbes.com/sites/steveforbes/2025/09/09/people-a... | | |
| ▲ | pmyteh 2 days ago | parent [-] | | The 31 months was for literally inciting a mob to burn down a building with asylum seekers inside, in the middle of a riot. Yes, from the Internet rather than in person, and she's now very vigorous in claiming she didn't intend anyone to actually do it. But yeah. Likely criminal even in the US under the "imminent lawless action" exception. Musk had bugger all to do with the rape gangs scandal, which broke literally years ago, and has been brought up with regularity by the newspapers here since. (For what it's worth there have also been plenty of non-Pakistani groups doing similar things and getting away with it. The main problem seems to be that no one in authority misses, or listens to, dropout teenage girls who have fallen off the radar - which makes them easy pickings for nonces.) I don't know about the others. The sign holder was likely within the 150m buffer zone put around abortion clinics last year, though. Given the content of the sign (which just steps over the letter of the statutory prohibition not to influence patients' decisions while being entirely morally unobjectionable) I suspect it was a deliberate setup for arrest for outrage, just like the Palestine Action people. But I could be wrong. It's perhaps also worth noting that Britain's traditions of free speech have never been as absolutist as the US (the last successful prosecution for blasphemous libel was as recent as the 70s and it's still technically a crime to advocate for a republic) but that raucous objections to government have very rarely been the target in recent centuries. The major difference in practice is that being grossly offensive isn't constitutionally protected. You're still not likely to get done for it, though. |
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| ▲ | complianceowl 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | hsbauauvhabzb 2 days ago | parent [-] | | By that same logic you could describe hitler as just a man concerned about the economy of his country. | | |
| ▲ | complianceowl 2 days ago | parent [-] | | The fact that you're linking my logic to Hitler is representative of how lewd your thinking has become. | | |
| ▲ | hsbauauvhabzb a day ago | parent [-] | | No it’s pointing out that your argument sounds like it’s intentionally missing critical information in a way that makes your audience think or feel a certain way. |
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| ▲ | jonathanstrange 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Of course, I agree. The UK has nothing to do with the EU, though. |
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| ▲ | blitzar 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The UK left because the EU was not "thinking of the children" |
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| ▲ | wkat4242 2 days ago | parent [-] | | No they left because the old people didn't like all the brown faces in their street. | | |
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| ▲ | drnick1 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Very true, just see what happened to the Graphene project recently. They were approached by the French government for a backdoor, threatened when they refused, and left the country in fear. |
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| ▲ | immibis a day ago | parent [-] | | That is not what happened to the Graphene project recently. Basically, there have been a string of anonymous secure phones designed and marketed directly to high-ups in organised crime. Encrochat, Sky ECC, Anom, Phantom Secure, probably more. Their plausible deniability is thin - an undercover government agent goes to the creators and basically says "I'd like to buy 30 of these for my drug-dealing empire" and the creator says "Sure, that'll be $2000 each." Later the agent calls them up and goes "Hey this guy cooking meth was busted by the cops, can you erase his phone?" and the creator goes "Sure." and erases the phone. That's not merely selling secure phones - that's joining organised crime (as the guy who makes the phones). Someone in the French government basically said that if Graphene is another Phantom Secure, they should suffer the same consequences as Phantom Secure. That's what the comment was. It doesn't seem like Graphene is another Phantom Secure, but they're sure acting suspicious by running away from France because of this comment. |
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| ▲ | immibis a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Chat Control did not pass, because it infringes upon their citizens privacy. |