>> Waymo data shows a significant injury reduction rate. If it's true and not manipulated data, it's natural for the car companies to want to capture some of this upside.

If you can insure the car for less, the car company can charge more for the car. I don't want to pay a subscription (rent) for a car I buy.

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bryanlarsen 2 days ago | parent [-]

I think you're in the minority. I can't find the reference, but I believe more customers are willing to pay $100/month for Tesla FSD than are willing to pay $10K once.

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rootusrootus 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

That's not surprising, the nominal break-even time (e.g. not accounting for the time value of money) is over eight years if you blow 10K on FSD as a one-time purchase. And when Tesla isn't feeling desperate to convince people to upgrade, the 10K license you bought stays with the car. The average new car owner would spend less with the monthly option.

And of course there's the fact that you can turn monthly FSD off if you feel the value isn't there. The commitment is much lower, so it's easier to convince people to give it a trial run.

I don't pay for it, though. I still haven't been that impressed with it (we've gotten a couple free months to play around with it). I think in some areas it works pretty well, but in my neighborhood it makes regular attempts to scratch the car.

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prepend 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

While that is true, that’s only a small percentage of drivers. Most Tesla drivers do not pay for FSD at all. About 12% of Tesla owners pay for FSD in one form or another [0].

So even though paying monthly is more amenable, the vast majority don’t want to pay anything.

[0] https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-full-self-driving-sale...

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typewithrhythm 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tesla fsd is far from complete enough to be a data point; people who pay the 10k are gambling that when fsd is improved the cost will be much higher.

	▲	Alive-in-2025 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		And today only fools pay the 10K one time cost. Tesla even priced the monthly amount to encourage you to go monthly. There's lots of reasons, including that they're not going to be able to upgrade people who got cars with the previous hardware, so endless lawsuits trying to get a promised but never provided upgrade from 3 to 4.

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seventytwo a day ago | parent | prev [-]

The $10k price exists to make the $100/mo seem like a good deal.