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90 points by heavyset_go an hour ago | 23 comments
throwaway198846 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Why they don't use zero knowledge proof? Also question for the USA constitution experts, is this considered a violation of free speech? The article is not clear on this.

alistairSH a minute ago | parent | next [-]

"Free Speech" in the American legal sense (1st Amendment to the Constitution) applies to government prohibition on speech, with a particular emphasis on political speech.

It doesn't prevent one person from prohibiting speech... I can tell a pastor to stop preaching on my lawn. But, the government cannot tell a pastor not to preach in the publicly-owned town square (generally, there are exceptions).

There are arguments that certain online forums are effectively "town squares in the internet age" (Twitter in particular, at least pre-Musk). But, I always found that analogy to fall apart - twitter (or whatever online forum) is more like an op-ed section in a newspaper, IMO. And newspapers don't have to publish every op-ed that gets submitted.

davorak a minute ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Why they don't use zero knowledge proof?

Some proposed implementation do this. Without the requirement there is no chance of your ID or age being leaked, with zero knowledge proof, there is a chance they leak but can be made small, potentially arbitrarily so. Other implementations come with larger risks.

neuroelectron 4 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Onlyfans is legal prostitution so we need to protect that. Better to regulate the entire internet with taking your rights than question why it's allowed.

dragonwriter 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Onlyfans is legal prostitution

No, its legal (in some jurisdictions) pornography. Prostitution on the platform, as well as whatever the legal status is in the set of jurisdictions involved, is also, from what I understand, explicitly against the platform ToS.

ActorNightly 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Good. Let this version of internet be locked down and censored.

If people care enough, they will build a new internet.

socalgal2 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That is an extremely poor title. Reading it I'd expect the average person to be like "yea, it's about time" and skip the article.

cvoss 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> we must fight back to protect the internet that we know and love.

This is not compelling. The internet I know and love has been dying for a long time for unrelated reasons. The new internet that is replacing that one is an internet that I very much do not love and would be totally ok to see lots of it get harder to access.

futuraperdita 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

What parts and content should be "harder to access" in your view?

Avicebron a minute ago | parent [-]

The parts where traffic generates money for the kind of people who would think putting an advertisement on a screen on someone's home refrigerator is an acceptable thing to do (morally, not legally or whatever).

Extrapolate that how you will.

Pxtl 2 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Infuriating that we get all the bad sides of digital ID without the good sides.

It's deanonymizing and intrusive and mandatory for sites to implement without protecting them from sockpuppets and foreign troll farms.

segmondy 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How are you going to verify the age of someone coming in from another country?

advisedwang 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

Realistically all but the largest sites are going to contract out age verification to third parties. There will probably be verification companies that will have a wide range of verifications.

Hizonner 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

There already are, and have been for a while. And, yes, of course, they've been involved in lobbying for the requirements.

ChrisArchitect an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

[dupe] Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46223389

fragmede 15 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

* for the US Internet. Internet access, even on cafe shop wifi, in India is trace backable to the ID of the user already.

Kozmik1 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

How would internet access in a coffee shop be traced to the specific user?

greenavocado 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

In Switzerland you are forced to receive an SMS code to your phone on every portal in every public space everywhere to establish your identity on every network. No SMS = No public wifi anywhere in Switzerland.

elashri 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The reason is that the law in Switzerland requires identification of the user of free internet services [1]. So it is not just common practice

[1] https://www.gva.ch/Site/Passagers/Shopping/Services/Business...

Kozmik1 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's a funny choice, I thought Europe was done with SMS. I can see this 1-to-1 mapping with other cellphone derived messaging like Whatsapp, etc being an issue for privacy but it's certainly possible to have multiple phones.

pnw 5 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

How would an SMS code sent to a phone number be traced to the specific user? Anonymous VOIP numbers are plentiful.

withinrafael 9 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I believe cyber cafes in India must verify identity via ID before allowing internet access and maintain logs, browsing history, etc. for at least one year.

stackedinserter 4 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I want this practice to remain in countries like India and Russia.