| ▲ | frankfrank13 2 days ago |
| Is there some tight coupling on autonomy + electric cars? Seems the only 2 viable hands-free car companies are Tesla and Rivian. I don't see myself ever getting an electric car, but it doesn't seem like the big car companies are anywhere near this. |
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| ▲ | jerlam 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| No, there is no coupling between EVs and automation. Ford BlueCruise and Mercedes Drive Pilot are equipped on some ICE vehicles, and are hands-free driving on (some) highways. Mercedes Drive Pilot is classified as L3 which is better than Tesla or Rivian. |
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| ▲ | red75prime 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > Mercedes Drive Pilot is classified as L3 which is better than Tesla or Rivian. Try to find videos where people actually use it. A handful of 1 minute long promotional and car reviewers' videos. It's mostly a marketing move. | |
| ▲ | dgarrett 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Mercedes Drive Pilot is classified as L3 which is better than Tesla or Rivian. "DRIVE PILOT can be activated in heavy traffic jams at a speed of 40 MPH or less on a pre-defined freeway network approved by Mercedes-Benz. DRIVE PILOT operates in daytime lighting conditions when inclement weather is not present and in areas where there is not a construction zone." [0] [0]: https://www.mbusa.com/en/owners/manuals/drive-pilot#2 | |
| ▲ | jazzyjackson 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I know this ain't a bitch-about-bluecruise thread but it's crazy to me they shipped it as is, it disengages silently as a matter of course - only indication is an animation on the speedometer. You basically have to keep your hands in the wheel just in case, not to mention shouting at you to pay attention when you glance over at the radio. Handsfree but keep your eyeballs facing front ! | | |
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| ▲ | hartator 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think the shift to EV is inevitable. |
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| ▲ | colordrops 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I agree, but it won't happen until EVs get more range. | | |
| ▲ | ok_dad 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | The range is fine today, the problem is charging infrastructure now. There aren't enough high speed chargers, and we can't build more because of the same reasons we can't build more AI datacenters: power. Tesla can build tons of them because they're backed by large grid batteries that suck up the power peaks from fast charging so that they can install their charging stations anywhere that has somewhat reliable power. If you don't have the batteries to act as a peak shaver, then it's really hard to install high speed charging where people need it most in residential and commercial areas that are already oversubscribed. | | |
| ▲ | colordrops 2 days ago | parent [-] | | It's not fine for all use cases. There are many people who are holding out because it's either not fine for their main use case, or even just a use case that occurs infrequently, but still important to them. | | |
| ▲ | ok_dad 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I'd like to see data on the distances people drive on a regular basis. For America where I am from, I think that a vast majority of people could use EVs today with the ranges they have today. I didn't see any EVs with ranges below 200+ miles and most had 260+. If you have to go further than that on a regular basis, I think that most cars won't work for your specific needs, let alone EVs. The whole range argument seems like some FUD to me that was made up by the ICE industry, honestly, because EVs have had these same ranges for a decade now. | | |
| ▲ | colordrops a day ago | parent [-] | | I'm speaking out of personal experience as an EV owner in Los Angeles that takes occasional road trips. It's those occasional road trips that are preventing me from going full EV. And I'm like 99% certain I'm not a tiny minority. | | |
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| ▲ | ok_dad a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I wonder if there is data out there for this kind of thing. I'd like to see it to see which one of us is correct or if we're both wrong (or right). |
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| ▲ | iknowstuff 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It already happened. 1/3rd of the global car market is EV. Range is not an issue. | | |
| ▲ | colordrops 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Worthless comment. Of course it's not an issue for city driving. It's an issue for long trips and rural driving. No one said EVs don't serve many use cases. I have one myself. | | |
| ▲ | iknowstuff 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Worthless human. More range is not needed and mark my words, mainstream EVs will not bother going beyond ~300 miles. Even the 400mi in a model s is a lot. More charging stations maybe, though we have plenty here in CA so roadtrips in a Tesla have never been a problem. | | |
| ▲ | colordrops 2 days ago | parent [-] | | appreciate the compliment. I'm one of those Californians with a Tesla, and we keep a gas car for certain trips that would be very difficult with a Tesla. I'm not just making something up here. But whatever you say. |
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| ▲ | 5upplied_demand 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That has been happening consistently for almost 15 years. https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1323-janu... | |
| ▲ | amanaplanacanal 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Better charging infrastructure and faster charging batteries will mitigate some of that. |
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| ▲ | jedberg 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The coupling is more with cost than drive train, but consumers most likely to pay extra for autonomy are the same ones willing to pay extra for electric. Which is why you see it on the Mercedes ICE vehicle. Because it's a high cost vehicle to start with. |
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| ▲ | jmtulloss 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The reason for this is Rivian and Tesla bet big on software defined platforms… ie every piece of hardware talks to a small number of central computers instead of many independent systems. This gives them a huge leg up in developing software than can actually take all the available input and use it to control all aspects of the vehicle. Downside is all the buttons are on a screen. But I’ve grudgingly decided it’s worth it for software upgrades. |
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| ▲ | sofixa 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| No, the only Level 3 self-driving system is Drive Pilot by Mercedes. They have it on the S-Class and EQS sedans, so one ICE/hybrid and one EV. It even comes with legal liability for the car manufacturer, that's how confident they are in the tech. None of this kind of hopium: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono... |
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| ▲ | simondotau a day ago | parent | next [-] | | It's not real L3, it's marketing department L3. Two years after launch it's still only supported in two US states. Now that Mercedes got their headline, it's effectively abandonware. If it was real L3, Drive Pilot would be considered the vehicle operator for legal purposes. Mercedes would take full responsibility for any driving infringements or collisions that occur during its use. In reality, Mercedes cannot indemnify you from driving infringements, and for collisions they only promise to cover "insurance costs" which probably doesn't include any downstream reputational consequences of making an insurance claim. | |
| ▲ | iknowstuff 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | So confident that it only works with a lead car to follow, on select stretches of freeways, below a certain speed, on sunny days |
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