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ssl-3 2 days ago

They're only useless in that they aren't displayed for your peers, but that was always the least-useful function.

Being able to see a counter that reads as "Twenty-three thousand other people also didn't like this video!" doesn't serve me in any meaningful way; I don't go to Youtube to seek validation of my opinion, so that counter has no value to me. (For the same reason, the thumbs-up counter also has no value to me.)

But my ratings remain useful in that the algorithm still uses the individualized ratings I provide to help present stuff that I might actually want to watch.

As we all know, investors and advertisers love growth; Youtube thrives and grows and gathers/burns money fastest when more people use it more. The algorithm is designed to encourage viewership. Viewership makes number go up in the ways that the money-people care about.

Presenting stuff to me that I don't want to watch makes the number go up -- at best -- slower. The algorithm seeks to avoid that situation (remember, number must only go up).

Personally rating videos helps the machine make number go up in ways that benefit me directly.

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Try to think of it less like a rating of a product on Amazon or of an eBay seller; try not to think of it as an avenue for publicly-displayed praise or admonishment. It's not that. (Maybe it once was -- I seem to recall thumbs-up and thumbs-down counts being shown under each thumbnail on the main feed a million years ago. But it is not that, and it has not been for quite a long time.)

Instead, think of it as one way in which to steer and direct your personalized recommendation algorithm to give you more of the content you enjoy seeing, and less of what you're not as fond of.

Use it as a solely self-serving function in which you push the buttons to receive more of the candy you like, and less of of the candy that you don't like.

encom 2 days ago | parent [-]

I have literally not rated anything at all, ever since YouTube removed dislikes, and my recommendations are working fine. Ratings indicate(d) if a given video was likely to be a waste of my time or not, and in an age of AI slop, this feature is more desirable than ever.

Someone should make a SponsorBlock/Dearrow-type addon to flag AI slop.

ssl-3 2 days ago | parent [-]

> I have literally not rated anything at all, ever since YouTube removed dislikes, and my recommendations are working fine.

How can you know how green the grass is on the other side of the fence if you've never even seen it?

Isn't it like Shrodinger's Grass, or Green Eggs and Ham, at that point?

(And if your recommendations are working fine, then what is this "AI slop" that you're complaining about? I don't find any of that on my end.)

rkomorn 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Shrodinger's Grass

Fantastically apt, IMO. Kudos.

encom 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You only assume recommendations are based on ratings, but you don't know. And I have seen your metaphorical green grass, because actual ratings were a thing up until about 4 years ago, remember?

>I don't find any of that on my end.

Good for you. The true crime genre has been hit hard by AI slop.

ssl-3 2 days ago | parent [-]

> And I have seen your metaphorical green grass, because actual ratings were a thing up until about 4 years ago, remember?

I remember this conjecture of yours (that ratings unilaterally ceased to matter as soon as they stopped being displayed to users) very well.

And unlike you, I can see over to the other side of the fence -- in the present day -- at a whim: All I have to do is fire up YouTube in a private session on a disused device. It's fucking awful over there; it's complete bedlam.

encom 2 days ago | parent [-]

Yes, a blank YouTube session is the 10th circle of hell Dante didn't know about. What's your point?

ssl-3 2 days ago | parent [-]

Same point as always: That it definitely doesn't have to be that way at all.

(I can't make you take the blinders off and use that utterly useless, vestigial Thumbs Down button, though. You're free to live your life with as blindly and with much suffering as you wish, no matter what anyone else thinks.)

encom 2 days ago | parent [-]

Please take your meds. I told you my recommendations are working fine, my YouTube is not a default bottomless pit of despair.

ssl-3 2 days ago | parent [-]

We all get the YouTube experience that we deserve, I guess.