| ▲ | Empact 4 days ago |
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| ▲ | input_sh 4 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Or, and this is gonna sound crazy, I know, it's not because it used to be novel and cool but because young people feel less safe to come out now that the trans panic has done its thing and the current administration has spent an inconceivable amount of money, time and attention painting this marginalised community in a bad light at every perceivable opportunity to do so? |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Now do left handedness. https://www.datawrapper.de/blog/history-of-left-handedness Did it become trendy? Or did we just stop beating it out of people? |
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| ▲ | hackinthebochs 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Now do anorexia, bulimia, or any number of social contagions. The difference between being allowed to be who you are vs. being encouraged into a lifestyle is not easy to distinguish. | | |
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| ▲ | II2II 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If another kid tells you that they're going to beat the daylights out of you to gain the acceptance of their peers, other kids get the message pretty fast and that message is to conform and to isolate the kid that is going to be the subject of the beating. It has nothing to do with adopting what's cool and rejecting what's cringe, unless you consider the current shift against human rights to be cool and supporting human rights to be cringe. |
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| ▲ | exasperaited 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Trends and beliefs based on culture, real or otherwise, are one thing. The allegation is grooming: that one group of people is actively persuading another. |
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| ▲ | hackinthebochs 4 days ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | exasperaited 4 days ago | parent [-] | | OK, this means that MAGA is grooming people to be racist? If you're going to broaden the definition of grooming so absurdly to include normal things in culture you just don't like then it seems like you should allow people to conclude your intent is to diminish the seriousness of things that actually are grooming. | | |
| ▲ | dragonwriter 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > OK, this means that MAGA is grooming people to be racist? Irrespective of the upthread discussion, MAGA is absolutely both being racist and quite actively grooming people, particularly children, to be racist. That's fairly overt. | |
| ▲ | hackinthebochs 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | exasperaited 4 days ago | parent [-] | | You are broadening this out to the point that is absurd and would excuse cracking down on almost any liberalisation, in a way that is kind of prurient. Honestly it's rather creepy and I hope you one day consider what you are saying. | | |
| ▲ | hackinthebochs 4 days ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | exasperaited 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Grooming of a person in a non-abuse setting involves deliberately changing the environment around an individual who does not yet feel they could be someone's successor or confidently exhibit the qualities or experience needed. Again: it is an active, targeted process aimed at someone who does not necessarily know they are being changed. Grooming has never been as broad a concept as you are talking about such that it just means changes in the moral or social landscape that some find undesirable. It has always meant a form of targeted attention (even in the literal sense of care and attention to a specific animal). Social liberalisation you do not care for is not grooming. I won't keep you any longer. | | |
| ▲ | hackinthebochs 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Yes, an active targeted process. No, it doesn't have to be aimed at "someone". It can be aimed at creating an environment conducive to one's interested in some class of people. Yes, intentionally targeting kids with an ideology is grooming. It is preparing them to be amenable to your ideology to increase acceptance of it in the broader culture. At least that's the most innocuous reading of it. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 3 days ago | parent [-] | | > Yes, intentionally targeting kids with an ideology is grooming. Boy Scouts? Religious youth camps? Are we banning these, too? | | |
| ▲ | hackinthebochs 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Not saying they should be banned. Not all grooming is bad actually. But that is the purpose of ideological organizations to a large degree. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 3 days ago | parent [-] | | > Not saying they should be banned. Not all grooming is bad actually. Then you're just making pointless noise. | | |
| ▲ | hackinthebochs 3 days ago | parent [-] | | The point is that the word grooming doesn't say enough to determine whether something is harmful. You just have to do the work to defend your claim to harm. But the grooming dynamic will always be inherently suspect when it involves other people's kids. |
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| ▲ | kappaking 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Woah now, you can’t talk negatively on beloved pedophile infested organizations. |
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| ▲ | tallanvor 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I can say that the data you're sharing suggests it's just as likely that the drop in numbers that your site claims started sometime between 2023 and 2024 are due to people becoming more afraid to identify as such due to Republican attempts to restrict LGBT rights and make life miserable for anyone who doesn't identify as straight |
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| ▲ | lostmsu 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Republicans in 2023? | | |
| ▲ | pseudalopex 4 days ago | parent [-] | | The Republican party existed since 1854. Was your point the president in 2023 was not a Republican? Most anti trans measures were state legislation. |
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| ▲ | jfindper 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >Doesn’t the very rise and fall of trans youth identification contradict your claim? It does not, no. You cannot be "groomed" into being attracted to a different sex. |
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| ▲ | Empact 3 days ago | parent [-] | | This is about trans identification, so not to do with attraction to a particular sex. |
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