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| ▲ | veeti 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | WhatsApp is a fact of life in locales like Europe, India and Indonesia. There is literally no avoiding it if you want to have a job or function in society. | | |
| ▲ | ericmay 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Ok sure, Americans can delete them then, no? I can attest that you don't need them to have a job or function in society. |
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| ▲ | deaux 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Nope, the things you named aren't easier. Out of the two, it's much easier to not work at Meta than do any of those things. | | |
| ▲ | baggachipz 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | What's so hard about not using Meta products? I manage to not use them every single day. There are dozens of us! | | |
| ▲ | danaris 4 days ago | parent [-] | | That's not what ericmay said. I don't use Meta products, and haven't for many years. But I still have a Facebook account, because a) deleting it would be a fairly rigorous process, and b) as long as I maintain the account, I have some control over the information about me that Meta maintains; if I deleted the account, they would maintain a "shadow profile" for me that I had no control over, and (for instance) any photos tagged as containing me, I would not be able to go in and untag. |
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| ▲ | ericmay 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is that what Meta’s ads tell you? |
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| ▲ | mschuster91 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > It’s even easier to delete your WhatsApp, Instagram, and Facebook accounts. Unfortunately, it's not, at least for Whatsapp. That's a part of the issue - as there is no open access federation requirement, there are messenger islands. Whatsapp for the non-tech folks, Telegram for those who either are wary of Meta, want gambling, or a service decidedly not affiliated with the American judicial sphere, Signal and Threema for the utter nerds/journalists/activists, iMessage for the Apple crowd, or the now-defunct rich bro network of Blackberry. SMS, MMS or its replacement RCS that the carriers are trying (and failing) to push, I don't even count these given how faded to irrelevance they all are. Oh, and then there are (particularly in the Asian market) all the country specific "everything in one"-apps that Musk tried and failed to convert X to. And particularly among the non-tech folks, no way to get them to use anything but Whatsapp. Network effects are a thing, hence the EU's push to break up the walled gardens at least a tiny tiny bit, but it will take years until it's implemented. | | |
| ▲ | ericmay 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Ok sure, delete Instagram and Facebook then. That seems easier to start, no? But you're assuming these messaging apps are something we need and have to have and then solving backward from there. While I certainly recognize that a society may have made the mistake of going all-in on a proprietary app in order to participate in society (whoops!), I can tell you for a fact that it's not required for any given society to function because I don't have any of these apps and just use SMS and e-mail and I am able to work, coordinate events with friends, make dinner reservations, and send funny videos. I can also vouch for the United States, specifically that such apps aren't required. So we can clearly separate out that we don't need these apps to function as a society - we can go back to the question of morality. In the US if you are "against" Meta or Mark Zuckerberg or whatever, you can just delete the apps because you don't need them. |
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| ▲ | seethedeaduu 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | It doesn't let me delete it. Trust me, I tried. |
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