How many degrees of separation is this from adult regulation? Want to provide age information to a site so you can look at porn without any guarantee that information won't be used for additional profit? That's a real thing in the US.

Government assumes zero expected trust reciprocation because they don't have to provide trust reciprocation and can do what they want, and government is comprised of co-opted humans.

Err on the side of sovereign freedom. Arguing about banning this or regulating that is all second principle stuff, and nanny states all strike me as the tail-end of civilization.

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nostrebored 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I value my kid not being exposed to porn as a child well above your right to privacy while watching it.

The ubiquity of the internet and children’s access to it is something we haven’t reckoned with yet. The differences between pre social media and mobile vs now is immense. The people seeking to capitalize on getting children addicted to something are numerous and well motivated by LTV.

Their incentives and the wellbeing of children are directly at odds. We already regulate things that are addictive for children.

People might give their kids a drink extralegally. Nobody is saying “hey kid, why don’t we watch porn together so you can develop healthier habits.” Nobody is creating a “starter Instagram” with their teenage daughter.

These forms of media are NOT SAFE FOR KIDS. They have observably negative population wide outcomes and are as reasonably banned as lead in pipes.

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raw_anon_1111 3 days ago | parent [-]

Then be a parent and turn on parental controls.

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nostrebored 3 days ago | parent [-]

Oh, I don’t let my children have electronic devices at all.

But schools do. Their friends all have Internet enabled devices in their pockets. The library he goes to has poorly secured devices. The school library does too.

This is what I mean by the ubiquity of the internet. It is functionally impossible to control access to the internet as a parent and allow your children to develop independence.

I do what I can, and have paid hundreds of thousands of dollars at this point to opt in to like minded environments. My oldest at ten is observably different than children at his age and doing great.

His friends that come from poorer families, like the ones that I grew up in, might as well have Roblox as a third parent and suffer from ridiculous behavioral problems. The school curriculum in SFUSD is years behind my curriculum was in Georgia when it was a bottom quintile outcome program.

It does not take much looking to see something is thoroughly wrong. I think a lot of it has to do with the mass experiment of Internet access we’ve run on children.

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raw_anon_1111 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Fair.

Funny enough I lived in the Atlanta metro area from 1996 to 2022. I had a house built in Decatur in 2003.

I started dating my now wife in 2011. She lived in Alpharetta. As soon as I met my now step sons who were 9 and 14, my first thought was in going to have to sell my house and move. There is no way in hell they are going to survive Decatur public schools.

We moved to Johns Creek at first and then had a house built in Forsyth County. Yeah this Forsyth County

https://youtu.be/WErjPmFulQ0?si=qfgRouGzQvm_nI1h

The attitudes in the burbs of Forsyth changed since then as people came from other places and it grew. But we very much stuck out. My son loved it there and still lives in that area and rents a house nearby where you use to live.

	▲	devmor 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Strangely enough I live in the same general area - right in the middle of Gwinnett. What an odd coincidence that the three of us happened to come across eachother in an HN thread before knowing this.

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hilbert42 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

"It does not take much looking to see something is thoroughly wrong."

Agreed, but observation suggests that it takes much more effort to do something about it—effort that the majority cannot muster or are unwilling to commit to.

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hilbert42 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Want to provide age information to a site so you can look at porn without any guarantee that information won't be used for additional profit?"

That's the Orwellian payoff: people self-censoring and frightened to act for rear of retribution or their reputation. It's the authoritarian's ideal approach to control.

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devmor 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think you might be confused here.

Providing age assurance is what banning teens from social media requires. This is already happening in the US in several states.

Regulating social media is the alternative.

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expedition32 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Mate for 1000 years priests decided what we could eat on Friday's.

You've never been more free.