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1970-01-01 3 days ago

Makes me wonder if professional divers are statistically more intelligent than average, as they will experience hypoxia as part of the job.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_diving

ceejayoz 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

They shouldn't experience hypoxia. That's what the air supply is for.

1970-01-01 3 days ago | parent [-]

It's not so simple. Check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freediving_blackout#Ascent_bla...

ceejayoz 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Barring really traditional (and now very rare) pearl/scallop divers, professional divers aren't doing it by holding their breath.

PaulHoule 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I never got "deep" into it but everybody told me that breath holding diving can be really dangerous.

I know part of the SCUBA story is that phenomena like nitrogen narcosis are particularly dangerous because you need your cognitive capacity to survive in the underwater environment.

In the surface world I can go to a party and drink eight beers and maybe throw up and act like a dumbass and embarrass myself and then wake up with a headache the next morning. That level of incapacitation under water would likely be fatal.

nradov 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Nitrogen narcosis isn't usually a significant factor in breath hold freediving. They do feel it on extremely deep dives but most aren't going past about 100 ft / 30 m where it becomes really noticeable.

https://alchemy.gr/post/429/dealing-with-narcosis-when-freed...

Technically it's not just nitrogen. Most breathable gasses other than helium have some narcotic potential. This includes oxygen, although the magnitude is unclear. Elevated CO2 levels (hypercapnia) can also seriously reduce your cognitive capacity via multiple mechanisms.

foxyv 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

At very high pressures, helium is actually the opposite of a narcotic. This is why it is introduced in Trimix for deep dives. It kind of offsets the narcotic effect of the high pressure oxygen. However it can also cause trembling if there is too much of it.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7478267/

To offset this problem, world record divers are introducing Hydrogen to their mixtures at extreme depths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrox_(breathing_gas)

PaulHoule 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

It's not so much about nitrogen and narcosis from other gases, it's that underwater is a dangerous environment where you can get in trouble quickly if anything goes wrong.

ceejayoz 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, when I learned scuba, I was told the rule with freediving is your buddy stays on the surface while you dive; that way they can rescue you if you can pass out.

Hnrobert42 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

While ascending, the air in your lung expands. If it can't go out your mouth/nose, then it expands your lungs or is forced through membranes. Either way, the results are not good.

Nitrogen narcosis is another risk of SCUBA diving, but it is not really related to breath holding.

nradov 3 days ago | parent [-]

Lung over expansion issues can only happen when ascending after breathing compressed gas under pressure. That isn't a problem with breath hold freediving.

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catigula 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Professionals at anything, let alone an elite performance sport like this, are almost certainly statistically more intelligent than average.

dinkblam 3 days ago | parent [-]

Can you link to a study backing this up?

I'd say most professional athletes are less intelligent than average…

untrust 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I think that this way of thinking is a little reductive. Every sport depends on certain intelligence metrics, and the brain is ultimately the operator behind all movement. The intelligence required to read a defense and solve a complex math problem may be different, but being good at either require intelligence.

A professional athlete in team based sports, at any given moment, is parsing a ton of data and responsing with quick reflexes and intuition to their changing environment. For example, quarterbacks in the NFL are reading a defense, parsing coverage, and making split second decisions after the play begins to develop.

A soccer goalkeeper is ensuring precise geometry to stay in an optimal position to make a stop, ensuring they are creating a triangle between the ball and the goalposts to optimize their position relative to the possible shooter.

Ontop of all of the in-game aspects, there is intelligence required to train to optimal levels, and hand waving this away as the coaches responsibility is not based in reality. Professional athletes have to stay very mentally focused in their training off the field to achieve their on the field results.

A lot of people judge professional athletes intelligence based on their communications with reporters and on field interviews, but public speaking ability and intelligence are not necessarily correlated. Your smartest engineer is probably not great at making keynote speeches, and likewise would be particularly terrible if they were making them after exerting extreme effort (like athletes do in post game interviews) or while they are pumped with adrenaline with an elevated heart rate (conditions sideline interviews tend to take place in).

All of this is to say, professional athletes arent all meat heads like most computer programmers and bookworms tend to believe. Your judgement that they aren't smart is probably based off of your bias and you are likely overweighting your analysis on a few notable dumb athletes against the crop.

Also, to top it all off, every sport is different, so you can't lump professional athletes into a single bucket.

nradov 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Why would you say that? Personally I would say that those who make unwarranted assumptions and post them online are less intelligent than average.

paulcole 3 days ago | parent [-]

What is the difference between what they said and this that they responded to?

> Professionals at anything, let alone an elite performance sport like this, are almost certainly statistically more intelligent than average.

captainbland 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It probably wouldn't be significant as executive function and overall intelligence can change independently.

ed 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

s/professional divers/free-divers/