| ▲ | devmor 3 days ago |
| "Just don't support the majority of consumer displays" isn't really an acceptable solution for an organization attempting to be a player in the home entertainment industry. |
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| ▲ | dathinab 3 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| the problem only affect a subset of HDMI 2.1 features, not HDMI 2.0 but the steam machine isn't really super powerful (fast enough for a lot of games, faster then what a lot of steam customers have, sure. But still no that fast.) So most of the HDMI 2.1 features it can't use aren't that relevant. Like sure you don't get >60fps@4K but you already need a good amount of FSR to get to 60fps@4k. |
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| ▲ | jasomill 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Just because the Steam Machine isn't powerful enough to support high framerates in modern AAA games doesn't mean it can't do so with older or less graphically-intensive games. VRR and HDR are presumably the biggest issues, because HDMI 2.0 should already have enough bandwith to support 8-bit 2160p120 with 4:2:0 chroma subsampling, which should work fine for most SDR games, and 144 Hz vs 120 Hz is, in my experience at least, not noticeably different enough to be worth fussing over. Some people will want to use their Steam Machine as a general-purpose desktop, of course, where RGB or 4:2:2 is nonnegotiable. Though in this case 120 Hz — or 120,000/1001 Hz, thanks NTSC — is, again in my experience, superior to 144 Hz as it avoids frame pacing issues with 30/60 Hz video. | |
| ▲ | bpye 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not supporting VRR is a pretty significant issue. |
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| ▲ | aleph_minus_one 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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"Just don't support the majority of consumer displays" isn't really an acceptable solution for an organization attempting to be a player in the home entertainment industry. I would recommend Valve to create an official list of consumer displays that ("certified by Valve") do have proper support for the most recent version of Display Port with support for all features relevant to gaming. This way gamers know which display to buy next, and display vendors get free advertising for their efforts that is circulated to an audience that is very willing to buy a display in the near future. |
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| ▲ | klausa 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | The complete list of TVs from major brands that do this is very easy to compile; here it is in its entirety: | | | |
| ▲ | xvilka 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Definitely a good idea and should improve the end user experience right now as well |
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| ▲ | tmtvl 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Aren't DP-HDMI adapters good enough for the majority of consumers? On my ancient (2017) PC with integrated graphics I can't tell a difference between the DP out vs the HDMI out. |
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| ▲ | onli 3 days ago | parent [-] | | The article mentions that the Club3D adapters don't exist anymore (=the popular ones), only off-brand alternatives. VRR is not officially supported via adapters, a big problem for a gaming device. | | |
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| ▲ | jay_kyburz 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| err, that's what Valve is doing? |
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| ▲ | eqvinox 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Well, only for the extremes where you'd need HDMI 2.1. 99% of HDMI displays will work without issue... | |
| ▲ | devmor 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | From the context I have, this complaint arose via development of the new (2025) Steam Machine. |
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