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littlecranky67 3 days ago

This. And it should be obvious. Drugs are banned and illegal in almost every country, yet they reach the US in vast amounts. Why would a ban on GPUs suddenly work - especially since owning a truckload of GPU is perfectly legal in most countries. Smuggling them to where the demand is, is probably easier than smuggling drugs.

rchaud 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

The illegality of something and the enforcement of that illegality can be mutually exclusive. Iran had sanctions placed on them after the 1979 revolution, but the US funneled arms to them anyway to raise money to ovethrow the Nicaraguan government [0]. Cocaine is illegal but the CIA trafficked it anyway to again raise money to topple the Sandinistas [1].

[0] https://www.history.com/articles/iran-contra-affair#Oliver-N...

[1] https://www.cnn.com/US/9811/03/cia.drugs/

stackskipton 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is easier then smuggling drugs because US is not making it difficult to sidestep the sanctions. Hey, this random house in Delaware is buying a ton of GPUs, should we investigate? Nah, our donors don’t actually want Nvidia stock to go down so ignore it.

cj 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I don’t think the root problem is political corruption or donors.

If anything, the hundreds of millions of dollars from AI lobbyists would overwhelmingly support anything that would prevent anyone outside of the US getting their hands on computer chips.

The AI lobby in support of banning export of chips is way greater than anyone lobbying the opposite.

> should we investigate? Nah, our donors […]

The US government is a very slow moving bureaucracy. Slower to adapt than the slowest moving large public company.

The GPU chip issue came about suddenly, out of the blue, and caught the government unprepared. When that happens, it typically takes government years to catch up and figure out how to adapt.

Even in cases where incentives are aligned in favor of the government’s position, they still take forever to roll out meaningful change with effective enforcement - e.g. charging sales tax on software business, remember that Supreme Court case years ago? Or remember all the concern about engineer salaries being de-categorized as R&D? These are examples that are legally decided but gov is incredibly slow to enforce. The Wayfair supreme court case was back in 2018, right? Many years later, most SaaS companies are still getting away with not charging sales tax. Certain states are just now stating to enforce, 7 years later.

dlisboa 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Investigate and do what? It's not illegal to buy GPUs, the sanctions have no power in this space. Who could a law even hurt here, the seller who is a single individual? If they made it illegal to individually export them out of the US the Chinese could just buy them somewhere else.

stackskipton 3 days ago | parent [-]

You can investigate buyers who have anomalous purchase patterns for sanction violations and convict them. DEA commonly looks at narcotic purchases by legal buyers for indications they might be funneling it to illegal market and investigates. NVidia could report "Hey, we are seeing massive purchases from entities we didn't expect so you might want to look into that"

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codedokode 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe criminal cartels should switch to GPU trafficking?

sofixa 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Mexican cartels were branching out into the avocado trade, so why not.

zipy124 3 days ago | parent [-]

Cartels, mafias and other criminal organisations have been involved in other industries for many generations now. Money laundering requires legitimate businesses and if that business happens to turn a profit. That's even better. Just look at the construction industry in new York or Italy many decades ago.

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bad_haircut72 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

By now most Mafias of the world are probably trying to train their own models

nyolfen 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

great thinking, that must be why the ccp doesn't care about this policy