China banned them tho.

China banned them AFTER the US first banned them and then unbanned them and a series of unfriendly trade moves by the US.

This discussion where China is always purely dishonest, bad etc. without any context is honestly lame.

The Chinese ban is largely a political move designed to signal that they're not going to be pushed around. They pretty much know companies are using them, (and H100 in Thailand etc.) but as long as it sends a message and over time incentives domestic development, (which it does), then good as far as they're concerned.

It's certainly better than the EU just rolling over for King Donald, which as a EU citizen is embarrassing.

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sofixa 3 days ago | parent [-]

> It's certainly better than the EU just rolling over for King Donald, which as a EU citizen is embarrassing.

I'm seeing it more as buying time thing. In sourcing as much as possible in the EU is already in progress, as well as various trade agreements with different countries and economic blocs. That doesn't mean it isn't preferable to play nice with the demented guy to make the transition less painful in the short term.

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Matl 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

The problem is, the EU is damaging its relationships with countries like China and India etc. too, rather than building strategic alliances,

On diplomatic trips, it often 'lectures' others, rather than listens. I think the EU is less and less liked by these other countries too, which is a disastrous combination when coupled with where the US is at imo.

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sofixa 2 days ago | parent [-]

> On diplomatic trips, it often 'lectures' others, rather than listens.

Like when?

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Matl a day ago | parent [-]

i.e. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/kaja-kallas-history/ - or from the Chinese side https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202509/1342651.shtml

This is not good diplomacy.

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sofixa a day ago | parent [-]

Chinese propaganda full of nonsense falsehoods isn't better diplomacy either.

> Guo noted that the Chinese People's War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression was an important part of the World Anti-Fascist War. 80 years ago, the Chinese people made tremendous national sacrifices to save human civilization

Lol, that particular part is hilarious. Imperial Japan wasn't drastically different in terms of governance compared to Chiang's or Mao's China. All three were pretty brutal anti-democratic regimes. Chiang had pretty clear fascist inspirations too.

> showed a lack of basic historical knowledge

Indeed, Chinese propaganda doesn't concern itself with historical knowledge. Those are the same people who imagine claims to half of Southeast Asia.

But China is a bit like Russia, their foreign minister blabbers nonsense, but that doesn't prevent actual trade or deal making.

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Matl a day ago | parent [-]

I don't think I ever saw a more illiterate comment in my life.

	▲	sofixa a day ago \| parent [-]
		Why? Neither Chiang nor Mao were fighting "the anti-fascist war". Both were more interested in fighting each other, for starters. Imperial Japan being considered fascist is also quite the stretch. And importantly, neither of the two/myriad of Chinese entities was fighting "to preserve human civilisation". When they were fighting the Japanese for a change, it was because the Japanese were attacking them. The article tries to position China as some "was fighting for good in WW2 so it's unfair to say current China is autocratic with it's buddies in NK and Russia". Even if it were true thay China was fighting for a good cause in WW2 (extremely debatable), doesn't in the slightest change the fact that today, China is an autocratic regime. How long is Xi's term? How long has he been in power? For how long will he be in power? It's the same story as Putin. China's foreign minister might bitch about it all he wants, it's nothing but the truth. You can consider that autocratic regimes aren't inherently bad, and that's a debate to be had about upsides and downsides. But it is categorically nonsense to pretend that China isn't autocratic.

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Paradigma11 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Especially since the demented guys public support seems to be in freefall. Why not wait a year and kick him when he is down on the ground.