| ▲ | hallole 4 days ago |
| Hugely decisive! Feels more like a policy for idyllic hypotheticals. "Suppose we could ban social media..." well, hey, they actually did it. I'm very interested to see how their socializing evolves in response to such a shock. Do the social behaviors of pre-internet times re-emerge? "Third spaces" reappear overnight? We shall see! |
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| ▲ | WorldPeas 3 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| I think one must also re-evaluate how in modern times a parent can be charged (by a perfect stranger) for the crime of neglecting their child when allowing them to rove unrestricted outside (within reason). I've heard of this happening in both the US and Australia, the HOA mindset really needs to die. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > a parent can be charged (by a perfect stranger) for the crime of neglecting their child when allowing them to rove unrestricted outside This is more about criminalising poverty than anything about parenting. I live in a rich part of Wyoming. The kids are fucking feral. | | |
| ▲ | genghisjahn 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I live in Philadelphia in Mt Airy. I see kids of all races around all the time. Sometimes my kids. The only place I read about parents being jailed for their kids being outside is HN. |
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| ▲ | nxor 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Where are you from? Sweden? Denmark? Fun fact for Europe: America is quite a dangerous country. At the very least, this is why parents fear the outdoors. And much of our nature is polluted. There are cases of this. I agree it's wrong, but it's good to understand the background. And as far as the internet: I am part of the younger generation and I welcome this change. I see how it affects my generation every day. | | |
| ▲ | WorldPeas 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I am also from a younger generation and from a state that has experienced quite a bit of pollution, but before the popularity of the smartphone ~2012 or so, there was still much more play outside. As for crime, it has been on a downtrend for decades, and many areas are the most peaceful they've been in years¹. I admit this may still be higher than in Europe, but this is exactly the fearmongering message platforms like X try to spread to garner support for authoritarian policy [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States | | |
| ▲ | nxor 3 days ago | parent [-] | | 1. I am not saying people are playing outside at the same levels.
2. I live in the rust belt and don't need to be told what I see is fearmongering. I have been personally affected by it. |
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| ▲ | bigfishrunning 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | America isn't universally dangerous, but it is very diverse. Where I am (Western Pennsylvania) there are kids outside running around all the time (maybe less now that it's very cold out). It just depends where in the country you are. | | |
| ▲ | nxor 3 days ago | parent [-] | | This might interest you: No Such Thing as Bad Weather by Linda McGurk I read this book in school and it's about this difference between Europe / Scandinavia and a rural part of Indiana I'm not saying kids don't play outside, just that the violence is why some parents fear it. I agree the internet makes this fear worse but frankly, EVEN ONE CRIME is scary enough if you ask me A 26 year old girl was set on fire in Chicago public transportation. It's really unforgiveable to me when people then say I'm "fearmongering" Yes, I fear being attacked on public transport! |
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| ▲ | Forgeties79 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think a huge part of that is context. Age, location, time of day, etc. I’d be curious to see numbers on this, usually it’s just asserted as “back in my day we played outside and got dirty all day!” but then I hear those same (usually now grand-) parents talk about all the tv shows/movies they watched as they espouse their views on modern media! My assumption is a lot of those people who proudly proclaim that lifestyle were raised in (segregated) suburbs and have rose tinted glasses. But I’m also making assumptions like them, so again I’m curious to find info on this. | |
| ▲ | youngNed 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | These are very very isolated outliers amplified by a media hellbent on ragebait. | | |
| ▲ | kyrra 3 days ago | parent [-] | | You've never tried to free-range raise your kids then. Some friends in our neighborhood had the police called on them for riding their bikes around the block, and the cops followed the kids back to their front door and then talked with the parents. | | |
| ▲ | youngNed 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I have. I also, crucially, don't live in America. This article, also crucially, does not relate to America | | |
| ▲ | WorldPeas 3 days ago | parent [-] | | when did kyrra mention they lived in America? | | |
| ▲ | youngNed 3 days ago | parent [-] | | When they spelt neighborhood, when the kids rode around the block. When they said they live in a country where a police force follows kids on bikes The clues were all there. |
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| ▲ | akst 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The success so far is really just political, which has largely been shutting down debate and dismissing calls for some kind of cost analysis of what we risk losing in enforcing this. Whenever someone brings up this stuff, the politicians take the tone that "we won't let anyone get in the way of protecting children", and this is in response to people who in good faith think this can be done better. Media oligopolist love it because it regulates big tech, so they've been happy to platform supporters of the policy as well. Third spaces won't reappear because the planning system in most cities shuts anything down the moment someone files a compliant. They get regulated out of existence the moment police express concern young people might gather there. The planning system (which in NSW/Sydney is the worse) has only gotten worse since the 80s after the green bans. It was largely put in place to allow for community say in how cities are shape, which sounds nice but it's mostly old people with free time participating who don't value 3rd spaces, even if they might end up liking them. They just want to keep things the same and avoid parking from getting overly complicated (and this is a stone throw away from train stations and the CBD). Third places can be fixed by reforming planning which is slowly gaining momentum via YIMBY movements, but this social media ban is just not a serious contribution to changing that. If anything Social media phenomenon like Pokemon GO contributed more to these third places lighting up. Governance in Australia is very paternalistic, it's a more high functioning version of the UK in that sense. I think it might be in part due to the voting system being a winner takes all single seat electorate preferential voting system which has a median voter bias for least controversial candidates. As a kid I always felt being in Australia you missed out on a lot of things people got to do in America, that has slowly changed as media and technology has become less bound by borders but looks like that being undone. |
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| ▲ | protocolture 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >well, hey, they actually did it. They passed legislation, its not clear at all that they succeeded. |
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| ▲ | immibis 2 days ago | parent [-] | | They actually did the experiment. While we're over here thinking social media is probably bad for kids and wondering what would happen if they weren't allowed to use it., Australia actually did that. Soon we'll actually know what happens when kids aren't allowed to use social media. |
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| ▲ | euroderf 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I know! Let's hang out a THE MALL! The Seventies are BACK! |
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| ▲ | rainonmoon 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Given that “social media” is in fact not banned and all this does is impact a select (and frankly logically inconsistent) list of services, this seems very unlikely. Children are still free to be groomed and gamble on Roblox and join servers belonging to The Com on Discord. To be clear I don’t think those services should be regulated by this obscene law either but this isn’t going to bring back any kind of halcyon era for kids. It will expand the surveillance of and shame around young people’s internet use, however. |
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| ▲ | subscribed 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Roblox blocked communication between adults and kids. I can't chat with my own children in app even though we don't live in Australia. That's for the better, as far as I see it, I can just shout :p | |
| ▲ | watwut 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I still prefer my kids to play roblox over being on X or tiktok much. It is still more ok then most of what any other todays tech provides. No matter how much geeks on HN hate it. | | |
| ▲ | creata 3 days ago | parent [-] | | And it can inspire them to learn programming with Lua(u). |
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| ▲ | anakaine 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How so? It has been implemented so that age verification is a token only, a yes/no authorisation. The age verification service doesnt get browsing details, and the site providing content doesnt get any additional user details beyond what they would likely already have, including those subject to PII legislation. | | |
| ▲ | rpdillon 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | This is false. Like all the age restricting laws being passed around the world, the implementation is not being specified and is being left to the individual platforms, which are using some combination of photo ID and video selfie in order to validate people's ages. Each platform is implementing it differently, and on different timelines. For example, X has failed to even respond for a while, but it's finally said they'll comply. > Companies have told Canberra they will deploy a mix of age inference - estimating a user's age from their behaviour - and age estimation based on a selfie, alongside checks that could include uploaded identification documents. | |
| ▲ | rainonmoon 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > It has been implemented so that age verification is a token only, a yes/no authorisation. This is misinformation. The legislation does not specify a single particular implementation for age-based verification and there's absolutely no single "age verification service" that platforms are legislated to use. Instead they're required to verify users' ages based on several recommended methods, including age inference. https://digitalrightswatch.org.au/2025/12/03/what-you-need-t... Further, the Communications Minister herself regarding whether she's concerned about people bypassing authentication-based age verification checks: "If you’re an adult - you probably won’t need to do anything extra to prove your age, because like I said before, these platforms have plenty of data to infer your age." https://minister.infrastructure.gov.au/wells/speech/address-... |
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| ▲ | everyday7732 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | It will also massively expand the surveillance of adults: if a platform introduces face scanning or checking government IDs for "age verification", then they don't just scan the underage users. |
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