| ▲ | bravetraveler 15 hours ago |
| Not sure if I'd use the same descriptions so pointedly, but I can see what they mean. It's perfectly fine to link for convenience, but it does feel a little disrespectful/SEO-y to not 'continue the conversation'. A summary in the very least, how exactly it pertains. Sell us. In a sense, link-dropping [alone] is saying: "go read this and establish my rhetorical/social position, I'm done here" Imagine meeting an author/producer/whatever you liked. You'd want to talk about their work, how they created it, the impact it had, and so on. Now imagine if they did that... or if they waved their hand vaguely at a catalog. |
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| ▲ | simonw 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I've genuinely been answering the question "what if the labs are training on your pelican benchmark" 3-4 times a week for several months at this point. I wrote that piece precisely so I didn't have to copy and paste the same arguments into dozens of different conversations. |
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| ▲ | bravetraveler 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Oh, no. Does this policing job pay well? /s Seriously: less is more, trust the process, any number of platitudes work here. Who are you defending against? Readers, right? You wrote your thing, defended it with more of the thing. It'll permeate. Or it won't. Does it matter? You could be done, nothing is making you defend this (sorry) asinine benchmark across the internet. Not trying to (m|y)uck your yum, or whatever. Remember, I did say linking for convenience is fine. We're belaboring the worst reading in comments. Inconsequential, unnecessary heartburn. Link the blog posts together and call it good enough. | | |
| ▲ | Barbing 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Surprised to see snark re: what I thought was a standard practice (linking FAQs, essentially). I hadn’t seen the post. It was relevant. I just read it. Lucky Ten Thousand can read it next time even though I won’t. Simon has never seemed annoying so unlike other comments that might worry me (even “Opus made this” even though it’s cool but I’m concerned someone astroturfed), that comment would’ve never raised my eyebrows. He’s also dedicated and I love he devotes his time to a new field like this where it’s great to have attempts at benchmarks, folks cutting through chaff, etc. | | |
| ▲ | bravetraveler 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | The specific 'question' is a promise to catch training on more publicly available data, and to expect more blog links copied 'into dozens of different conversations'... Jump for joy. Stop the presses. Oops, snarky again :) Yes, the LLM people will train on this. They will train on absolutely everything [as they have]. The comments/links prioritize engagement over awareness. My point, I suppose, if I had one is that this blogosphere can add to the chaff. I'm glad to see Simon here often/interested. Aside: all this concern about over-fitting just reinforces my belief these things won't take the profession any time soon. Maybe the job. |
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| ▲ | simonw 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You don't have to convince me the pelican riding a bicycle SVG benchmark is asinine. That's kind of the point! | | |
| ▲ | bravetraveler 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Having read the followup post being linked, I'm even more confused. Commenting or, really, anything seems even less worthwhile. That's my point. You bring the benchmark and anticipated their... cheesing, with a promise to catch them on it. Cool announcement of an announcement. Just do that [or don't]. In a hippy sense, this is no longer yours. It's out there. Like everything else anyone wrote. Let the LLM people train on your test. Catch them as claimed. Publish again. Huzzah, industry without overtime in the comments. It makes sense/cents to position yourself this way :) Obviously they're going to train on anything they can get. They did. Mouse, meet cat. Some of us in the house would love it if y'all would keep it down! This is 90s rap beef all over again |
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| ▲ | charcircuit 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you want a summary you can have your ai assistant summarize the link. |
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| ▲ | tomrod 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Hell, I would consider myself graced that simonw, yes, THAT simonw, the LLM whisperer, took time out of his busy schedule to send me to a discussion I might have expressed interest in. |
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| ▲ | bravetraveler 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | > send me to a discussion I might have expressed interest in No, no, remember? Points to the blog you were already reading! Working diligently to build a brand: podcast, paid newsletter, the works. | | |
| ▲ | tomrod 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | I wasn't speaking to this interaction, and my point is genuine. Simonw has done fantastic work in the LLM space |
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