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TulliusCicero 15 hours ago

> For all that tools like PeerTube, Mastodon, etc are clunkier and more limited than things like YouTube, Bluesky, etc, I think that argument is increasingly going to be irrelevant to their value

Their value is going to stay limited if people don't want to actually use them.

Technically proficient people may overlook something being clunky if it suits their needs in other ways, but it's a harder sell for the average user. And really, it shouldn't be an issue. Good UX isn't trivial, but it's not especially complicated or budget-busting either.

petterroea 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Users are also happy with clunkiness if it gives them other things they value. Ask any Windows user. Also, video game modding.

My general experience is that clunky software is what made people tech literate, and now that everything has safety barriers and protects the user from everything tech literacy has fallen.

mdotmertens an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This is acceptable. We now understand that privacy-focused solutions are not appropriate for individuals with average technological literacy, and we cannot depend on companies to self-regulate.

At present, the emphasis is on the potential of large language models (LLMs) and the related ethical considerations. However, I would prefer to address the necessity for governments or commissions to assume responsibility for their citizens concerning "social" media, as this presents a significantly greater risk than any emerging technology.

cons0le an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Windows is also just convenience. Most use it because it comes with the computer

jszymborski 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are some technical barriers to approaching fediverse platforms, but I personally see the main barriers being cultural.

I'm a big proponent of Mastodon and still love using it, but the culture (especially early on) was exceptionally protectionist and lots of people got bullied off for very silly reasons. I think the attitude is less like a children's secret club and more chill generally.

All this to say, I think this is will get better, but the best way to help the fediverse is to join it, be active, and be chill.

treyd 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At least for Mastodon and the rest of the Fediverse ecosystem it does seem that people actually want to use them, and more people every day.

jamesbelchamber 14 hours ago | parent [-]

People moved on from Mastodon to Bluesky because it was more responsive to user needs. I encouraged people to move to Mastodon but then watched them move on.

It is what it is - but it's worth being clear-eyed about what it is.

7moritz7 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

FOSS just does not have the aggressive scaling mindset. Even success stories like Linux' game compatibility and Chromium can be traced to just regular tech companies, as opposed to non profits.

jmcnulty 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It has actually improved a lot since then. The UI has had changes, search is better, it has quote posts now. More usability enhancements are under active development.

palata 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Once "normies" have tried and moved away, I think it's too late. Unfortunately such services don't get a second chance.

It was probably hard enough to convince them to try once.

JoshTriplett 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> search is better

Search is still awful, in part because a few people don't seem to want it. It needs substantial improvement.

MangoToupe 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Their value is going to stay limited if people don't want to actually use them

Nobody really wants to use instagram either—there's basically nothing positive to say about the app or service itself—it just has critical mass.

warkdarrior 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Is this a "nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded" moment?

MangoToupe 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Typically crowds don't shove billboards every third person

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

More like texting, nobody likes the phone system, but everyone you know is on it

MiddleEndian 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

When texting took off, it was the easiest (only) way to send instant text based messages between friends wherever you were, even if the phone system is now heavily used by spammers and there are better options.

When Facebook took off, every Myspace page was so full of garbage that they barely loaded on most people's computers, and Facebook was slick and shiny and easy. The real name policy made it super easy to connect with people you met IRL. Even if it's now confusingly slow and FB Messenger can't display your recent chats in the correct order for some reason, it was the easiest most obvious option at the time.

I don't really understand why people use Twitter (at its best it just seems like a worse version of RSS), but the site presumably loaded quickly at some point and was easy to use, even if it's presumably worse now.

And so on. They persist through momentum.

Some things continue to persist, some things get beat out and die. But if you start off more confusing than your alternatives, at least compared to when they started, you won't get picked up in the first place.

MangoToupe 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Instagram makes texting look positively motherly

api 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

To me a fatal flaw in ActivityPub systems is that your identity is tied to a server. Yes you can port it, but it’s a hassle. That means the server ops become these little lords over little fiefdoms and a server just dying takes your identity with it.

This also means your reach and what you see depends on your choice of server. I very much don’t want that.

It’s also confusing to non-technical people. Join Mastodon! But which one? How do I pick one?

Technically speaking, Nostr is better. Your identity is a key. Servers are just dumb relays.

Unfortunately it seems to be nothing but crypto bros talking about crypto, or was last time I checked. Nobody uses it.

nunobrito 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Just to say that I'm using NOSTR on my apps, most people using those apps don't even know about NOSTR at all but they all enjoy the quick login procedure without emails nor phones.

fsflover 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> To me a fatal flaw in ActivityPub systems is that your identity is tied to a server

In contrast to Instagram, Facebook and co?

ezst 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> That means the server ops become these little lords over little fiefdoms and a server just dying takes your identity with it.

Or that means that everyone can be their own little lord reigning over their own little server, to the point that it doesn't matter, because effectively, network nodes don't need to be "big" to be relevant in a federated ecosystem. I'm not so much into ActivityPub, but I run an XMPP server for my family. I'm not saying that this is for everyone, but close-enough.

RobotToaster 4 hours ago | parent [-]

>everyone can be their own little lord reigning over their own little serve

Only if it's simple for the average person

And only until an admin of a big sever dislikes something you say and adds your server to the censorship list on fediseer.

__MatrixMan__ 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Agreed, nostr makes a lot of sense when you read about it and then you go there... Once.