Not to refute your point but I’ve met overly confident people with “AI skills” who are “extremely productive” with it, while producing garbage without knowing, or not being able to tell the difference.

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epolanski 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You're describing lack of care and lack of professionalism, fire these people, nothing to do with the tools, it's the person using it the problem.

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geraneum 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yea I’m talking about people and that’s honestly what matters here. At the end of the day this tools is used by people and how people use it plays a big role in how we assess its usefulness.

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mrwrong 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

this is known as the no true scotsman fallacy

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ModernMech 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

We're trying very earnestly to create a world where being careful and professional is a liability. "Move fast and break things, don't ask permission, don't apologize for anything" is the dominant business model. Having care and practicing professionalism takes times and patience, which just translate to missed opportunities to make money.

Meanwhile, if you grift hard enough, you can become CEO of a trillion dollar company or President of the United States. Young people are being raised today seeing that you can raise billions on the promise building self driving cars in 3 years, not deliver even after 10 years, and nothing bad actually happens. Your business doesn't crater, you don't get sued into oblivion, your reputation doesn't really change. In fact, the bigger the grift, the more people are incentivized to prop it up. Care and professionalism are dead until we go back to an environment that is not so nurturing for grifts.

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impulsivepuppet 14 hours ago | parent [-]

While I circumstantially agree, I hold it to be self-evident that the "optimal amount of grift is nonzero". I leave it to politicians to decide whether increased oversight, decentralization, or "solution X" is the right call to make.

	▲	ModernMech 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		A little grift is expected. The real problem for us is when it's grift all the way down, and all the way up, to the extent even the President is grifting. Leaving it to the politicians in that case just means enabling maximum, economy-scale grift.

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tick_tock_tick 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've not really seen this outside of extremely junior engineers. On the flip side I've seen plenty of seniors who can't manage to understand how to interact with AI tools come away thinking they are useless when just watching them for a bit it's really clear the issue is the engineer.

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SchemaLoad 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They just shovel the garbage on someone else who has to fact check and clean it up.

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MangoCoffee 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

you can say that about overly confident people with "xyz" skills.

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9rx 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Garbage to whom? Are we talking about something that the user shudders to think about, or something more like a product the user loves, but behind the scenes the worst code ever created?

	▲	geraneum 15 hours ago \| parent [-]
		A lot of important details/parts of a system (not only code) that may seem insignificant to the end user could be really important in making a a system work correctly as a whole.