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etothet 2 days ago

From the article: "What I find really interesting about this change on Apple’s part is how it seemingly goes against their own previous human interface guidelines..."

Welcome to Apple of the last decade. As an avid user of many Apple products, this has been extremely frustrating to experience. Hopefully Alan Dye's departure will see at least partial return to obeying Apple's own HIG.

Kwpolska 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Icons in menus do follow the 2025 HIG: https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline...

The author is criticising 2025 macOS for not following the 2005 HIG. This is not reasonable criticism, the HIG are not set in stone and they have changed many times in the past 20 years.

omgtehlion 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

The link you attached still contains these:

> Don’t display an icon if you can’t find one that clearly represents the menu item

> Not all menu items need an icon. Be careful when adding icons for custom menu items to avoid confusion with other existing actions, and don’t add icons just for the sake of ornamentation.

> Instead of adding individual icons for each action, or reusing the same icon for all of them, establish a common theme with the symbol for the first item and rely on the menu item text to keep the remaining items distinct

wpm 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

And if you go do the work of tracking down newer HIG versions, they say the exact same thing.

2014:

"Avoid displaying an icon for every menu item. If you include icons in your menus, include them only for menu items for which they add significant value. A menu that includes too many icons (or poorly designed ones) can appear cluttered and be hard to read."

Newer versions seem to have escaped being properly archived anywhere, so Apple can gaslight us all into believing the HIG has never changed, that we have always been at war with East Asia, that giving a bad icon to every single menu icon has always been good, and that rule was never arbitrarily changed at the whims of a cardboard box designer and his liquid glarse aesthetics.

It works out though because it does give me ammo when people use these guidelines to thoughtlessly defend poor design as if they are axiomatic rules. For 20+ years having lots of icons in a menu was bad...but now...it's good! Why? I dunno! It just is!

notpushkin 2 days ago | parent [-]

2020 was linked in another thread here: https://web.archive.org/web/20201027235952/https://developer...

DaiPlusPlus 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I think the problem might be generational… the only people who know - or care - about the HIG are older millennials

1718627440 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, the newer generation is used to computers being an inconsistent mess and slow. Only the the technically interested people know that it doesn't need to be this way. (And thus don't feed up with this and use Linux or *BSD :-) ).

luigi23 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

yearning for old apple and order, current times and genz are more chaotic. not sure if it's generational, old apple was obsessed about design, now HIG is mostly optional. they now even use hamburger on websites which was a big no in the past.

hurturue 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

HIGs change. what made sense for people who first used computers in their 30s might not make sense for people which used them since 7

layer8 2 days ago | parent [-]

I think you’re underestimating how many people grew up with GUIs 30-40 years ago.