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drnick1 3 days ago

There is nothing special about the Troubled Engineer's setup. It's mostly a matter of using open platforms. With Firefox on the desktop and Fennec on Android (Graphene), you get full uBlock Origin support and therefore never see any ads anywhere, even on Youtube. On Android, there is also NewPipe that offers "free Youtube Premium" (play in the background and download).

I also use DNS based filtering since I run my own Unbound instance, but it isn't really necessary with the above setup. It may be useful if you must absolutely have a smart TV or other such appliances, but considering that they have cameras and microphones, I will never connect such a device to the Internet anyway.

bambax 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Same. Firefox works well on mobile and allows uBlock Origin (in my experience NewPipe is fragile).

1vuio0pswjnm7 2 days ago | parent [-]

"(in my experience NewPipe is fragile)"

Thanks for the corroboration. I once got downvoted when I mentioned this

IME, the SoundCloud mode is less fragile

112233 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How are you not seeing any ads with that setup? I just read your comment and saw multiple ads!

gunalx 3 days ago | parent [-]

No those are (most provably) unpaid recommendations. Those are not the same as ads, because there is no economic insentive, and is strictly not ads.

mcny 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

It would be so easy to place ads based on page contents and not based on retargeting. It would be such a breath of fresh air. You wouldn't need to know anything about the person visiting the page. You can still do programmatic ads with competitive bidding. And even according to Double click study, you would make about fifty five percent (iirc) of what you would make with all this invasive tracking.

It would be a win win for everyone.

sgc 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

In an alternate reality where tracking was 100% illegal all the time, would the ad revenue come closer to say 90%, with perhaps 10% choosing another medium altogether? These studies by ad companies seem to always presume their own perfect world where everything else remains just as it is.

Freak_NL 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Mostly, although some text analysis would need to be done to prevent this:

    (people commenting about how a bad design choice in ACorp's flagship product AProduct led to the tragic death of ten labradoodle puppies.)

    AD: Buy two AProduct, get one free — limited time offer! Woof! ACorp — your pup will love it!
nottorp 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You mean, like how Google ads were back in the beginning?

JohnFen 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

An ad doesn't have to be paid for to be an ad.

IAmBroom 3 days ago | parent [-]

Likewise, mentioning a product is not de facto an ad.

pennomi 3 days ago | parent [-]

Sometimes you can even get your gullible users to spread those “not ads” for you!

Sent from my iPhone

muixoozie 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Just to throw one on the pile https://github.com/yuliskov/smarttube for android based TV media box is great.

kivle 3 days ago | parent [-]

Be careful with this one, it was recently compromised: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46103657

Latitude7973 3 days ago | parent [-]

The latest versions 30.56 and onwards are fixed.

kevin_thibedeau 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Android FF allows background play in desktop mode.

Imustaskforhelp 3 days ago | parent [-]

There is an extension you can download which can enable background play without dekstop mode too. I forgot its name but I thought it was relevant to the discussion and maybe someone can help find it.

worksonmine 3 days ago | parent [-]

This is the one, I use it too: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-backgro...

KetoManx64 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

On android there's also Louis Rosman's company's Grayjay. Ad blocking, syncing between devices without Google, SponsorBlock to skip sponsored segments, and many more: https://grayjay.app/

illiac786 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How about ads inside apps on android? I used to have AdGuard dns configured but somehow was still seeing ads in some games. I guess they were self hosting ads or had the DNS server hard coded in the app…

felixfurtak 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I use close to that setup, but with the (now defunct) Kiwi Browser with Magnolia's BPC, FBP for Facebook and uBlock Origin. Works pretty well.

Imustaskforhelp 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I use brave in android but I have used firefox on android too, firefox actually still supports old devices which is nice

Heck I have ran modern firefox on tinycore on my 32 bit 1 gig ram mini dell laptop lol

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1vuio0pswjnm7 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"There is nothing special about the Troubled Engineer's setup."

That's good

"It's mostly a matter of using open platforms. With Firefox on the desktop and Fennec on Android (Graphene), you get full uBlock Origin support and therefore never see any ads anywhere, even on Youtube."

The "smartphone" is certainly not an "open platform"

For many years, including before Graphene even existed, if trying to use Firefox for Android without Graphene, either zero or only a small subset of ("curated") extensions were "supported" when not "logged in"

One could get "support" for all extensions by using Nightly. No need to "log in"

The situation may have changed recently but allowing it to persist for so many years like that is a good reminder of Mozilla's priorities and allegiances

Not to mention the ridiculous shibboleth required to change these settings away from the privacy-hostile defaults

"It may be useful if you must absolutely have a smart TV or other such appliances, but considering that they have cameras and microphones, I will never connect such a device to the Internet anyway."

Sounds intriguing. Any good articles on smart TVs with cameras or "other such appliances" with microphones conducting surveillance on purchasers

If there really are such TVs and appliances, then it makes sense to exercise control over whether they can connect to the internet and if so, what DNS data they can use

This cannot be done with uBlock Origin or NewPipe. Something else is needed, e.g., gateway/router firewall, DNS, forward proxy, etc.

The companies that distribute so-called "modern" web browsers are hyperfocused on data collection (Mozilla's telemetry alone is insane), surveillance and ad services as a core "business model". The software has been designed to access cameras and microphones. Mozilla receives millions of US dollars in payment from Google for user search data. The terms of this agreement selling users out are not public

The browser vendor can decide to stop "supporting" extensions such as "uBlock Origin" at any time, as we have seen with Google's Chrome, a project started by former Mozilla employees. The "smartphone" OS vendor can decide to stop allowing "apps" such as "NewPipe" at any time. As it happens the browser vendor, the OS vendor and the ad services vendor are all the same company. Mozilla is its business partner, Chrome was started by former Mozilla employees

1. It is reasonable to use what works until it doesn't, and to have alternatives when something stops working

I use multiple layers of defence against ads, call it an ad avoidance "stack" if that term appeals to you. uMatrix and uBlock Origin are only one layer and only work with popular browsers. Port forwarding on Android is another layer. DNS is another layer. Forward proxy is another layer. Gateway firewall is another layer. I control DNS for reasons other than ads but DNS is remarkably effective at preventing ads and tracking

In the long run, I would bet that DNS-based methods of avoiding data collection, surveillance and ads will remain viable the longest. DNS is older than the web, "smartphone apps" and the practice of using the web or "app stores" as data collection, surveillance and ad delivery platforms

This practice is enabled by and dependent on "popular web browsers" like Firefox and mobile OS like Android, controlled by corporations whose "business model" is support for onllne advertising, e.g., Mozilla Corporation sending search query data to Google LLC, who also collects data for advertising purposes via Android, in return for for millions of US dollars. This makes using Firefox or an Android fork a strange choice as a method for avoiding advertising.^1 These are the software projects, effectively controlled by trillion dollar corporations focused on data collection, surveillance and ad services, through which ads are delivered. These projects are a vehicle for online adverttising. DNS software projects,^2 at least the "good" ones, are not

2. NB. I'm not thinking of dnsmasq/PiHole. I'm not suggesting it's "bad