Electrifying ferries is great, but this particular one has a run time of 20 minutes (and a charge time of 10 minutes). I get a totally different vibe from 'oceanic ship' than a 20 minute ferry ride.

Near me, we now have a hybrid ferry, no charging infrastructure, but it still uses much less fuel than before it was refit, so that's cool too. It's bigger than the one you linked and sails on a longer route: 2,499 passengers, 202 vehicles, typically serves an 8.6 mile route.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wenatchee

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jacquesm 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Absolutely, but that's how this starts. Boats too started as ferries, it took many, many years before boats purposefully went into blue water. Ferries are a great testbed, they have lots of cycles and they are a pre-cursor to coastal and then eventually larger ocean going vessels, which I predict will go diesel-electric before they go all electric.

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jabl 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> eventually larger ocean going vessels, which I predict will go diesel-electric before they go all electric.

Diesel-electric, particularly when using Azipods, is great when you need to do a lot of maneuvering in narrow spaces like ports. But for long-haul it's hard to beat the economics of a two-stroke direct drive diesel.

Maybe a hybrid concept for a long-haul ship would be using a direct drive two-stroke main engine, but the auxiliary diesels replaced by batteries?

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LtdJorge 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Boats too started as ferries, it took many, many years before boats purposefully went into blue water

What kind of boats are you talking about?

	▲	tialaramex 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		So, people start pretty early with rafts. A raft isn't a boat it's just a collection of stuff which floats ie is buoyant - so, with care, you can board the raft and cross a stretch of water without swimming, which is convenient. Boats incrementally improve on this by having a distinct "inside" of the boat which needn't be buoyant, separated from the outside by waterproofing. A canoe or a coracle would be examples of boats you can easily invent once you've seen rafts. Most easy to invent types of boat are great if there are no waves. On a river there are basically never waves (yes rapids exist, no that's not common) However at sea waves are commonplace. Situations where waves are minimal are extremely rare, usually occurring seasonally, when tides are smaller than usual and weather is calm. Sea Lion (the never attempted German invasion of mainland Britain) was predicated on absolutely calm sea because it would have used towed river barges to land troops. If there's a moderate sea but you green light the operation anyway, all your infantry drown and you've just lost the war immediately. To be successful at sea you want even more buoyancy, to put the top of the waterproof outer parts of the boat above the waves, and you probably also want a keel, rather than having the vessel's bottom flat and sort of resting on the water which won't work well with waves. None of this is impossible, or even especially difficult with quite ancient technology, but it's not trivial, you definitely won't go from rafts to ocean-going freight transport in one attempt.

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SideburnsOfDoom 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Electrifying ferries is great, but this particular one has a run time of 20 minutes (and a charge time of 10 minutes).

And this one, under construction now, will have a run time of 90 minutes and charge time of 40 minutes:

https://spectrum.ieee.org/electric-boat-battery-ship-ferry https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45844832

Sibling comment is perfectly correct that it starts small and ramps up.

From that article:

> "The ferry format, with its high-frequency turnaround, relatively short segment distances, and shore-based rapid charging, is one of the most promising early use cases for electrification in the maritime sector. Maritime electrification has gained momentum over the past few years"

Early. Momentum.

Moving some noticeable percentage of ships away from fossil fuels is still a win.

	▲	jacquesm 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		I think we'll see a return to sailing at some point with diesel-electric hybrids in between (there are just too many advantages to that model). The sooner we kick the fossil fuels habit the better.