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sublinear 4 hours ago

> I remember seeing a woman who was a classic example of someone with high neuroticism, poor self-esteem, and severe social anxiety, and she had believed for much of her life that she was autistic ... it fit in with her experience of being awkward-shy-weird.

I so strongly agree with this and it's not just based on my own experience, but many people I know.

Growing up broke and in sketchy places with sketchy people will induce plenty of anxiety. Then I managed to get out of all that as an adult and starting a career.

The anxiety never fully went away, but it now presents itself the way one would expect instead of "weirdness". Maturing and having a more stable life happened to my friends also and nobody says "I think I'm autistic" anymore like we did in high school and college. Now it's hard to distinguish if we were saying that to ourselves as a slur in self-deprecation, or if we really believed it. Young people are just awkward and too many people get older without letting go of the things they told themselves a long time ago.

Make of that what you will. I know my story is super common, but the only reason I bothered to write this is that it doesn't get said enough.

nkrisc 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Based on personal experience with others, for some I think the diagnosis is a substitute for an identity that then brings belonging into a group, filling a need for them that has been otherwise unfilled.

zwnow 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

People nowadays are just desperate to have a diagnosis. Everybody wants to be special and unique, everybody wants a stamp on their forehead that says "I have [x]" "I am [x]". People cant accept that the issues they have might just be not special at all and are mere human issues all of us have. Its the result of aggressive sensationalism and the desire to stand out from the crowd.

dqv an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, of course. When a "normal" person asks for a reasonable accommodation--like being able to wear a smooth cotton polo alternative they bought with their own money rather than the piqué fabric one assigned by the company--they get "wow you want to be so special and unique, no you need to wear the shirt assigned by the company and get over it." Is it any surprise that someone would want to go get an autism diagnosis or whatever else so they can... just wear the damn shirt that doesn't make them half-grimace at all the customers?

They're going to be accused of wanting the special and unique stamp in either case, but at least in the second one they can feel somewhat comfortable.

People will, of course, conjure up an unreasonable accommodation (in an attempt to paint all accommodations as unreasonable) in their head to try to justify why this sort of request can't be accommodated, which just increases the fuel for the desire to get the autism diagnosis.

Put another way, if people were a little more accepting, less only-slightly-weird people would be seeking these diagnoses.

tome 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> People nowadays are just desperate to have a diagnosis. Everybody wants to be special and unique

I've never managed to understand this when it comes to autism. Autism used to be considered something as extreme as a severe disability (e.g. Rain Man), and latterly with the inclusion of Asperger's into the spectrum, at the very least a collection of undesirable behavioural characteristics. Do people really want to be diagnosed with something wrong with them, or has the perception of autism shifted to at least neutral (if not positive)?

harimau777 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think it's useful to look at the alternative. It is still socially acceptable, even among progressives, to viciously mock people who are socially awkward and simply write them off as undeserving of help. At least with autism many people extend some degree of sympathy and willingness to help.

hasbot 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes. Social awkwardness then is not seen as a character flaw but more like a birth defect.

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sublinear 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

At the risk of offending some people, I think it's similar to why people lie about their dog being a "service dog".

It may genuinely be that their dog is their emotional support, but it's ultimately a bit of selfishness and wanting to be treated preferentially in a world that feels crowded and rigid.

jancsika 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Everybody wants to be special and unique, everybody wants a stamp on their forehead that says "I have [x]" "I am [x]".

Spend a moderate amount of time with some humans-- e.g., war veterans-- and you'll find that denial of a diagnosis is common enough to trivially disprove this statement.

zwnow an hour ago | parent [-]

Pretty sure war veterans dont hang out on TikTok or Instagram 24/7

AndrewDucker 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"unique" and "diagnosis" are opposites. If you have a diagnosis then, by definition, you are part of a group of people with defined attributes.

zwnow 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Unique meaning unique within their social bubble, I agree with the general statement

AndrewDucker 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Almost all of the people I know who are neurodivergent in some way are friends with a bunch of other neurodivergent people.

Either deliberately or because that's how all of the other train spotters/board gamers/coders they've ended up hanging out with are.

sublinear 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Upon realizing "I just have anxiety" and there's "nothing wrong with me" it initially reduced my anxiety... then I wondered why I'm so fixated on some mirage of "normal" and my anxiety flared up again thinking about it way too much.

Anxiety with intrusive and obsessive thoughts is definitely a real phenomena, but nowadays it's just a sign I'm getting fussy and need a break or a nap.

squigz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People are desperate for an identity. It has always been that people would latch on to things that seem fitting for them - maybe they put a lot of stock in their identity as a soldier, or as a fan of a band, or maybe as a member of a group like skateboarders. And, interestingly, most of these historic manifestations also have an aspect of "stamp on their forehead advertising their identity" - patches, shirts, other identifying aesthetics from their community.

harimau777 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think it's less a result of a desire to be special and more a result of the way that late stage capitalism will throw away anyone who doesn't fit into its narrow mold of what makes an "ideal employee". When only a small number of career paths provide a good quality of life and employeers can fire people at will, then any divergence from the ideal becomes a disability.