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| ▲ | rescripting 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s trivial for law enforcement to track your movement with ALPR cameras. Information feeds into a single database, paid for by law enforcement agencies, and they just connect the dots. Ring camera footage requires law enforcement to get a warrant or for individuals to give consent to supply the footage. Now tell me which system makes it easier for a cop to stalk their ex. | | |
| ▲ | thih9 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | All this is assuming one travels exclusively by car. Bikes, public transport, or walking are not as easy to track using this system. Then again, these modes of transport are less popular in the US; I guess such a surveillance system is extra effective in the US because of that. | | |
| ▲ | Spooky23 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Not yet. Facical recognition in 2025 is where LPR was in 2010. As the cost of compute and wireless communications continues to drop, facial recognition will be prolific. There are more limitations with cameras, but AI will make it easy to backtrack movement to a place where they get a clean shot that can identify you. As an example, the transit authority in NYC Metro was able to plug existing security feeds from trains into Amazon Rekognition to count heads, which feeds their ticketing app — you can see which carriages are full. As time goes on, they’ll become able to track the breadcrumbs individuals from seat to platform. (If not already) Detectives do this manually today. I was on a jury where the purse snatcher was followed by various cameras until he got on a bus. They pulled the bus passes and tracked his pass back to his girlfriend. | |
| ▲ | garciasn 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Less popular because it’s not feasible for many. I live in MN. Biking 20mi to work when it’s -10F and in 6” of fresh snow on top of the 12” received so far this season just isn’t something that’s safe to do. Please don’t make it seem like it’s a “popularity” thing; it’s a necessity thing. | | |
| ▲ | thih9 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Finland is a cold country with similar size and area. For national domestic trips, 55% of people there use cars[1]. For MN i only found stats for MN metro area, but I’d expect public transport to be more developed there. The car usage is still 83%[2]. [1]: https://www.traficom.fi/sites/default/files/media/publicatio... page 6 [2]: https://metropolitan-council.github.io/TBI_Household_Synthes... “Driving remains the predominant mode of travel in the region, representing 83% of trips in 2023.” | |
| ▲ | antiframe an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I bet the local community plows the roads but not the bike infrastructure, though? I get why, people probably drive more than bike. But, in Canada, there are local communities that plow bike infrastructure and locals bike in their deep winter. It's a chicken or egg problem of building infrastructure for users and users demanding infrastructure. It's not some fact of nature that it's impossible. Different communities have different priorities. So, necessity is a bit strong of a word. | |
| ▲ | iso1631 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Hardly anyone lives in MN - half the poulation of New York City alone. The vast majority of Americans live in cities. Half live in just 8 metro-areas, just as the vast majority of Europeans live in cities. Europe is far more dispersed though. |
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| ▲ | mananaysiempre 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > public transport Some European cities I remember having pervasive cameras in public transport a decade ago, ostensibly to prosecute vandals. |
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| ▲ | SauciestGNU 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There was an article posted recently announcing that Flock reached an agreement with Amazon to ingest Ring cameras into their system. | |
| ▲ | Spooky23 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Most ring users contribute their data and no warrant is required. If they don’t, the majority of people are cooperative. Ring is problematic in some ways but doesn’t produce trivially searchable metadata. | |
| ▲ | ifh-hn 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This comment went right off a cliff at the end... | | |
| ▲ | saint_yossarian 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Why do you think so? LOVEINT is indeed a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOVEINT | | |
| ▲ | ifh-hn 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I know it's a thing. That was just my reaction reading the OP. First paragraph: reasonable, if ignoring that access it not likely to be unrestricted willy-nilly. Second paragraph: not as reasonable given that Amazon likely comply without issue with us intelligence, and sell the data to third parties, which the police could just buy (similar has been done) to avoid consent or legal obstacles. Third paragraph: out of nowhere, focus on police. No mention of intelligence agency staff or say Amazon staff doing the same thing. I just had a wee chuckle to myself was all. | | |
| ▲ | Dusseldorf 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Out of nowhere? The entire comment is talking about law enforcement (police) and law enforcement agencies (police departments) purchasing access to commercially owned surveillance databases. No warrant is required to use them, and in some cases that access is indeed "unrestricted willy-nilly." | |
| ▲ | sigwinch an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think the logic totally follows, if your ex is a cop and you’re thinking of getting a Ring camera. |
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| ▲ | lingrush4 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If a police officer potentially stalking his ex is the worst failure mode this guy can come up with, let's keep the Flock cameras. With the right access controls and approval processes, that can be fully solved in a week. | | |
| ▲ | hansvm 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ah, you mean like if we had some sort of knowledgeable, impartial third-party to grant the police permissions. They could, get this, "judge" whether the absolute bare minimum of evidence is likely to exist. So long as Flock didn't provide a way to circumvent an approval process like that, you could maybe reduce the instances of abusers stalking their victims to "acceptable" levels. What do you think the chances are that we could invent a system like that? You don't think Flock and the police would find a way to circumvent it do you? |
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| ▲ | slickdifferent 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think it's mostly just a privacy issue. The idea that your every movement is being recorded by the government is Orwellian, especially when they try to hide its existence, lie about its capabilities, and you have no say in the matter (referencing NSA metadata monitoring). The average person thinks their ring camera is like their coffee maker, an individual piece of technology they own and control. If it were released that everyone's ring cameras were being fed into some NSA program running facial recognition to track citizens movement I'm sure they would be upset about that too. | | |
| ▲ | iso1631 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | But these cameras have been around for 30+ years, including in the US. Why is it suddenly in the news. The cameras don't track me either. They track a car. They have no idea who is driving the car. > If it were released that everyone's ring cameras were being fed into some NSA program running facial recognition to track citizens movement I'm sure they would be upset about that too That's the interesting bit, how did ANPR get into the US public consciousness now, rather than over a decade ago when it started to be used on toll roads | |
| ▲ | lynx97 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Did you somehow miss the introduction of mobile phones? Came out of a coma recently? | | |
| ▲ | xandrius 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Because people started caring about something, we're going to mock them because they don't care about something else too? Let people slowly get interested in protecting their privacy; as they say, better late than never! |
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| ▲ | airstrike 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Unless I'm missing something, Ring cameras film people at my doorstep and are for my personal use, so dont know how they're similar at all even if you don't trust Amazon | |
| ▲ | Spooky23 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They’ve gotten cheaper and aggregated into nationwide networks. The older devices were expensive and in police car scenarios required pretty significant effort to install. The mobile flock just gets bolted to the dash. In my city, most vehicular movement between neighborhoods and in/out of the city is logged. Your safety and civil liberties are dependent on agencies following and auditing their work rules, as the law didn’t anticipate this gives them a lot of discretion. | |
| ▲ | Workaccount2 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Americans (the general public) are a lot more weary of government surveillance than other developed nations. Its one thing that you can get a lot of liberals and conservative to agree on. Unlike ring cameras which people voluntarily install and the government needs a warrant to access, flock cameras are pretty much exclusively for the government to actively monitor citizens without any court oversight. | | |
| ▲ | iso1631 an hour ago | parent [-] | | People install ring cameras which record me walking past. Those cameras then push the data to private companies for processing, and are made available to police on a simple request. ANPR has been a thing for 30 years. Is America just slow on the uptake? Even then it looks like they've been in use for a long time there. |
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