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trashface 2 hours ago

> FYI for anyone who isn't familiar with the wacky US insurance situation: Nobody in the US actually pays $800 for the drug. That's the "list price" for insurance companies to pay. Even insurance companies don't pay that price because they negotiate their own rates with the drug companies, which are lower.

This isn't really true on obamacare/ACA plans, even the high-end ones like gold PPOs. The formularies are much worse than employer-based plans. Insurers are required to cover one drug in each therapeutic category, but its usually an older generic. Most brand name drugs like this one have really bad coverage or not at all, which means the insurer won't even negotiate with the pharmacy to lower the drug.

Yes you can use coupons, sometimes, but the pharmacy can't always process them and the manufacture is always change the conditions and expiring them. I got one for my glaucoma drops directly from my eye doctor, and it was expired immediately when I tried to use it. I have paid $650 (for a 3 month supply, the full retail cost) for my drops when the coupon didn't work, and I couldn't get them any other way - I can't interrupt the med or else my eyes get damaged. So that falsifies your "nobody" assertion.

cogman10 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Anyone know what's going on with the ACA marketplace?

I like to take a peek at it every so often and it's just stupendously worse than employer healthcare. There is no plan in my market (Idaho) which doesn't have extreme out of network deductibles. The cost is also identical to what I and my employer pay for insurance.

Is it just that the ACA is mostly used by sick people or something?

jonhohle an hour ago | parent | next [-]

As a solo dev, I’ve been on ACA with my family for the past four years. In my market, a major insurance company is not returning for 2026 and the prices have gone bananas. Our premiums are increasing over 40%, all of our copays are more than doubling, and the deductible is astronomical. In many cases the cash pay price is probably cheaper than the insurance negotiated rate.

I’m the plus side, all bronze plans can contribute to HSAs next year.

We compared individual plans off market, but they’re mostly the same without HSA access or they’re targeting people with specific ailments (e.g. the diabetes plan).

On top of that, consolidation of hospital systems has made wait times for GPs months unless you’re lucky enough to find a cancelation. We have some older Canadian ex-pat friends and it seems like our health system has all of the downsides of socialized systems, plus we get to pay Cadillac prices.

I’m really hoping 2026 is so bad that something breaks enough to resolve some fundamental issues with private health costs, but I’m not naive enough to think it’s likely. ACA was such a monumental gift to someone, but it definitely not individuals who need family coverage.

wrs an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For one thing, as I understand it, the ACA was pretty effectively sabotaged by removing the mandate, which destroys the math that makes insurance work.

Because pre-existing conditions have to be covered, you're free to wait until you have a serious (expensive) condition, then sign up for an ACA plan. And there's no mandate that spreads that risk around to healthy people, so the population is severely skewed.

I have no definitive data on this, but it seems self-evident that the system can't work well.

atonse an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’ve used ACA plans off and on for about a decade. They’ve mostly been as good (of not better) than the employer plans we had once or twice.

So my guess is this is heavily state dependent. Maryland as a state isn’t hostile to ACA so I think they have solid plans.

I can also only speak for BlueCross plans.

matt_heimer an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Prices have jumped, see:

    * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44604365
    * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44989706
bluedino an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Many people that use the Marketplace plans don't have employer sponsored health plans available.

daveguy an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It's because health insurance companies need to pad their profits. Because we have a backward system in the US where profits are extracted by everyone without any competition from a not-for-profit. That's why the idea of a public option is so popular (it was originally a Republican idea until it was decided insurance company profits are more desirable). Personally, I don't think any health insurance company should be for-profit. But the for-profit companies sure as hell should have a non-profit competition with the same bargaining power they do.

monerozcash 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Pretty sure Kaiser Permanente is not-for-profit, many Blue Cross Blue Shield members are non-profit

petesergeant an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> Because we have a backward system in the US where profits are extracted by everyone without any competition from a not-for-profit.

California has an excellent non-profit option, and it depresses prices a bit, but not a huge amount