| ▲ | ceejayoz 3 hours ago |
| Eh, it's an important point. "It made COVID things much better, and it didn't make other unrelated things worse." |
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| ▲ | hervature 2 hours ago | parent [-] |
| Looking at Table 2 and as the name suggests, COVID is included in "all-cause" mortality. Your statement does not follow because it could have made COVID outcomes better yet "all-other" causes worse for a neutral "no increase in all-cause". If you look at Table 2, you can see that the vaccinated group is less mortality in all diseases. That being said, as much as I think this is over-stated, this is very much a correlation thing because we all know that unvaccinated individuals live their lives differently compared to vaccinated individuals. Even accounting for similar statistics, the one group is prone to higher death rates not because they are unvaccinated but because of the reason they are unvaccinated. |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Read again. > After standardizing the characteristics of vaccinated individuals to those of unvaccinated individuals, we observed a 25% lower standardized incidence of all-cause death in vaccinated individuals compared with unvaccinated ones… > Vaccinated individuals had a lower risk of death compared with unvaccinated individuals regardless of the cause of death. > All-cause mortality was lower within 6 months following COVID-19 vaccination, regardless of the dose administered, compared with the control periods... | | |
| ▲ | hervature 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You should read my statement again. If COVID vaccines reduces COVID deaths by 100% and increase everything else by 0.01%, you will still have a reduction in "all-cause" mortality yet your chances of dying by anything else has increased. I already said Table 2 does not show this is happening and in fact vaccinated individuals have better outcomes across the board. However, people are drawing this conclusion (even though they are correct) incorrectly without looking at the data. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > If COVID vaccines reduces COVID deaths by 100% and increase everything else by 0.01%… But you already agreed this is not the case, in your comment: > If you look at Table 2, you can see that the vaccinated group is less mortality in all diseases. | | |
| ▲ | binary132 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | GP is saying that indicates there is some other factor involved in reducing all-cause mortality, since it is probably reasonable to believe the mRNA vaccines were not improving mortality rates of other diseases, and that therefore the sampling of these populations is not random. See this comment:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46164643 |
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