> Even BMW can't make something that is practical.

Hyperbole, but essentially true

The Japanese beat everybody when ICE ruled. Their cars were miles ahead on every measure except snob value.

In the the of EV it will be the Chinese. Tesla has no hope of keeping up, they are already fallen behind on snob value, their cars have none now.

I think the comment about BYD drivers preferring Tesla is out of date now. Ti e will tell, but my money is on China

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inferiorhuman 7 hours ago | parent [-]

From what I can tell the Chinese are targeting the bottom of the market with cars that are essentially disposable. The ones to watch, IMO, are Hyundai/Kia. If they can sort out the reliability issues there's a lot of potential there.

Honestly I'm cautiously optimistic about VW, especially after they've started backing away from those awful capacitive buttons.

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conception 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

BYD has the world’s fastest car now. I think they are targeting the market, not a market.

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inferiorhuman 5 hours ago | parent [-]

And 9 times out of 10 when BYD is brought up people are talking about their low priced cars like the Dolphin or Seagull, not their halo car.

	▲	conception 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Sure - you start on a segment. Tesla started at the top of the market and got stuck trying to work down. BYD is starting at the bottom but they are making it pretty clear that’s a choice not a constraint.

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CyberDildonics 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

From what I can tell the Chinese are targeting the bottom of the market with cars that are essentially disposable.

What actual information or data leads you to believe this?

All wheel drive, 375mi range and sub 4 second 0-60mph is disposable to you? I'm guessing your car is disposable by comparison.

https://www.byd.com/us/car/han-ev

	▲	inferiorhuman 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Disposable as in unrepairable or difficult to repair, not disposable as in slow. Honestly, aside from people making bad faith arguments who would use disposable to imply slow? Do me a favor and stop responding to my comments. Thanks.