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marssaxman 8 hours ago

> BMW has over-engineered the

They have over-engineered the everything, because that is what BMW does. That is what they have been about for the last thirty years.

0_____0 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

After reading the blog post I had the same thought. Doing an oil change on my F650GS motorcycle required removing the plastics, draining the oil from both the top and bottom of the motorcycle, removing a plate on the side of the engine after install the BMW specified oil redirection funnel, extracting the filter and reinstalling. The oil funnel had a legit BMW part number. Most of us either just made a mess or used a piece of a milk jug. Probably 15 fasteners and 2 drain plugs.

Comparable process on my Sv650: drain plug out. Drain plug in. Screw off filter. Screw on filter. Fill.

barrenko 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's basically the plot of the Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

vjvjvjvjghv 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Back then they should just let the oil go on the side of road. No need to capture it

kens 6 hours ago | parent [-]

That reminds me of the Popular Science garage hint from 1963, explaining how to easily dispose of used motor oil: Dig a hole in the ground and fill it with fine gravel. Pour in the oil, and it will be absorbed into the ground before your next oil change.

https://books.google.com/books?id=myADAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA166#v=on...

stefanfisk 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Different times indeed.

The Swedish government created this informational video in 1964 on how to properly dispose of your trash when at sea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t03saJVFkv4. Apparently the trick is to make the trash sink rather than float.

Gud 4 hours ago | parent [-]

People were doing it, at least make sure they do a good job.

sgt 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not too bad though all things considered, there are worse examples out there, like my old KTM adventure bike. Interestinlgy, the BMW R1200/1250/1300GS is actually simpler due to the boxer engine design.

mjanx123 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The proper BMW oil change procedure is to remove the engine and flip it upside down.

jacquesm an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wait until you see a picture of a clutch replacement on an R1200... this should probably have a NSFW tag attached: https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcycle/comments/1he20rk/r_1200_...

inferiorhuman 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You win some, you lose some. Comparable process on my E46 and E39: Drain plug out (potentially flipping a little dust cover out of the way). Drain plug in. Stand up because everything else happens up top. Unscrew filter housing. Replace filter element. Replace filter housing. Fill.

Scoundreller 5 hours ago | parent [-]

E90 is the same but you’re supposed to loosen the filter because otherwise some vacuum holds in an extra 0.5L of oil.

I like the top mount oil filters, less mess.

jinzo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I won't argue with non EV engineering, but high voltage stuff in an EV is a lot harder problem to make safe in event of a crash and subsequent repair. I come out as a BMW apologist, but Vanja (evclinic Head boss) likes to be overly dramatic. BMW (and almost all other brands) are very afraid that someone will die when repairing/driving/rescuing someone from an EV and they go to great (and expensive) lengths to make sure the battery and the vehicle is as safe as possible. The fuse here is a small part, checks and certifications that go into making the battery truly safe (in scale, all edge cases ect) are a lot more than just the fuse. And that is expensive.

nixass an hour ago | parent [-]

evclinic overly relies on drama for their content

merger3 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Exactly, these are intentional decisions for German cars. They’re gorgeous, over-engineered, cutting edge pieces of machinery and the expense of being practical or repairable. The common understanding for decades has been if you’re buying a German luxury car as a daily driver and repair costs are something you even have to consider, you’re buying the wrong car.

beAbU an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think it's a German thing to be honest. I've wrenched on Mercedes Benz and VW personally, and I've heard horror stories from Audi as well.

My merc exposure is both on very old (70s) and modern. So I would actually argue that over engineering shit is in their DNA, they don't know how not to do it.

My brother had an old W123 body Merc for a while. It had fucking vacuum lines running to all the doors for central locking. I had a SsangYong with an old-school Merc OM617 diesel engine in it. Great engine, and it was relatively easy to work on, but the oil filter was positioned such that you can't replace it without spilling oil all over the engine bay. Infuriating!

bux93 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hard to maintain systems, whether it's hardware or software, are underengineered if anything.

dmix 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's also how they got a lot of things very early in the game like radars. They had adaptive cruise control in 1999 (similar to Mercedes).

julieturner99 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Yet somehow adaptive cruise is a rarity on the BMWs out there, often requiring an option package that few dealers spec. (Though I think this may be finally starting to change with the 2025 model year).

beAbU an hour ago | parent | next [-]

That's just because literally everything is an optional add-on on a BMW.

So many BMWs out there on the road without the indicators package because the owner cheaped out when buying it.

Scoundreller 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sadly, they’re close to 100% caught up to automatic transmissions in North America.

dyauspitr 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Are you advocating for manual transmissions?

gpderetta 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Are they switching to monthly subscriptions?

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chihuahua 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

People get upset when a BMW is expensive to repair, but they're misunderstanding the sophisticated German engineering. You're not supposed to repair it. You're supposed to throw it away and buy a new one.

wongarsu 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In Germany BMW's target market are company cars. Having the company pay for your car has tax benefits here even if you also use it outside work, so the company giving you a nice car that gets replaced by a new model every three years is a sought-after benefit. Those cars are indeed sold to the next idiot before they develop any issues

SubiculumCode 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

/s or /$ What's the best tag for your post?

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close04 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The sophisticated engineering works (or worked?) mostly fine if the piece of machinery is operated in the extremely narrow "just right" operating ranges the sophisticated engineer defined. To much dust in the air? One too many potholes? Not the premium brand oil? There goes your sophisticated machinery.

Times have changed and now the fuse replacement is not just a mater of over engineering, something someone put together thinking it's a technically perfect process. It became a revenue stream. Car designed also by accountants.