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nish__ an hour ago

My napkin math:

According to my research, these machines can etch around 150 wafers per hour and each wafer can fit around 50 top-of-the-line GPUs. This means we can produce around 7500 AI chips per hour. Sell them for $1k a piece. That's $7.5 million per hour in revenue. Run the thing for 3 days and we recover costs.

I'm sure there's more involved but that sounds like a pretty good ROI to me.

q3k 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

A photolithography machine doesn't etch anything (well, some EUV machines do it as an unwanted side effect because of plasma generation), it just patterns some resist material. Etching is happening elsewhere. Also, keep in mind, you'll need to do multiple passes through a photolithography machine to pattern different steps of the process - it's not a single pass thing.

bluGill 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The catch is if you started today with plenty of money (billions of dollars!) and could hire the right experts as you need them (this is a big if!) there would still be a couple years between today and producing 150 wafers per house. So the question isn't what does the math look like today, it is what the math looks like in 2 years - if you could answer that why didn't you start two years ago so you could get the current prices?

shadowpho 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What about the $10b to build the facility (including clean air/water/chemicals/etc)?

nish__ 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

Rent a warehouse.

ghc 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

It would be cheaper to bulldoze the warehouse and start over.

Keyframe 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

that's 100% yield which ain't happening

warmwaffles 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Not with that attitude.

nish__ 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

My man.

nish__ 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

What would you expect yield to be?

danparsonson 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

With no prior experience? 0%. Those machines are not just like printers :-)

nish__ 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

We'll have to gain some experience then :)

vel0city 6 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Especially when the plan is to just run them in a random rented commercial warehouse.

I drive by a large fab most days of the week. A few breweries I like are down the street from a few small boutique fabs. I got to play with some experimental fabs in college. These aren't just some quickly thrown together spaces in any random warehouse.

And it's also ignoring the water manufacturing process, and having the right supply chain to receive and handle these ultra clean discs without introducing lots of gunk into your space.

mindslight 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Sounds like the kind of question ChatGPT would be good at answering...