| ▲ | munificent 4 hours ago |
| Here are three separate metaphors: 1. A linear continuum (like wavelength for light) from "no autism" to "really bad autism". 2. A collection of disjoint sets (like individual named colors like "cyan" and "puce") for cases like "really into trains autism", "freaks out at parties autism", "non-verbal autism", etc. 3. A continuous mixture of different properties (like rgb(.1, .2, .05)) for symptoms like "10% social dysfunction", "20% repetitive behavior", "5% sensory overstimulation". When people describe autism as a spectrum disorder, they generally mean the third metaphor. It's a mixture of different symptoms and different autistic people have different amounts of those symptoms but all people diagnosed with autism have a significant amount of them and their symptoms will have some amount of overlap with other autistic people. |
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| ▲ | hosh 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Number (3) has better explanatory powers than (1). However, for the purpose of assessing social and family impact, it is rendered to (1). Both schools and state (US) programs use (1) to assess if a child qualifies for support. This is not always related to how to parent or educate the child. Fortunately, the US school system with IEP (individualized educational plans) are developed along (3). (Source: two of my kids have ASD) None of that necessarily helps in informal social contexts or in professional workplace settings. I think the American Disabilities Act covers reasonable accommodations for people with autism spectrum disorders, though I am not sure if it requires legal disabled status. Lastly: I met a Native (Navajo) family with a child that seems to me, have some developmental disabilities — but I think they take a very different approach. For one, they don’t seem to have the usual social stigma associated with this, and are baffled why I would suggest getting state support for early childhood intervention. If anything, I would not be surprised if they thought I was, yet again, someone unthinkingly pushing a colonialist worldview. |
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| ▲ | Pet_Ant 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Number (3) has better explanatory powers than (1). However, for the purpose of assessing social and family impact, it is rendered to (1). My first thought was is (1) more of a projection of (3) from multiple dimensions to one, or more like the magnitude. Also, it is known thing or are "trains" a euphemism now like "friend of Dorothy"? | | |
| ▲ | dfxm12 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It's the punchline to a meme. This is one example: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgeiEh... I don't think it's quite the same as calling yourself or someone else a "friend of Dorothy". People who say they are into trains usually precisely mean they are into trains. | |
| ▲ | munificent 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Also, it is known thing or are "trains" a euphemism now like "friend of Dorothy"? I meant it only as a reference that one of the common characteristic symptoms of autism is a deep focus on some topic of special interest. In boys with autism, trains, cars, or other machines are a common one. | |
| ▲ | estimator7292 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Within the community it's a bit of an in-joke. It's not a coded message or anything, just an acknowledgement that autistic people are disproportionately into trains. | | |
| ▲ | fragmede 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | But they're just so cool! How is everyone not into trains this much? | |
| ▲ | ToucanLoucan 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Strictly my anecdotal observation but, as someone who attends train shows regularly, they definitely, absolutely are. Not an ounce of complaint to be clear. Honestly seeing them flip out and flap around and giggle excitedly is delightful. I'm glad they're having a good time and I'm also glad that all of these experiences have not involved some self-involved asshole leering, criticizing or yelling at them for being happy. |
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| ▲ | tbrownaw an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | While that word does get used to refer to people sometimes, it's afaik always hostile (slur rather than euphemism). |
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| ▲ | overfeed an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > 1. A linear continuum (like wavelength for light) from "no autism" to "really bad autism" This is the least helpful metaphor, when applied to anything with more than one dimension. "Really bad autism" can describe a multitude of unique symptoms.and is nearly information free, similar to describing someone as having "A really serious illness" |
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| ▲ | brudgers an hour ago | parent [-] | | For reasons I am compelled to comment that “really bad autism” is not a medical description. |
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| ▲ | frereubu an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| To take the rbg metaphor further, it should really be a "gamut" rather than a "spectrum". |
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| ▲ | munificent 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | "Spectrum" works too in that if you take white light and split it in a prism, it is spread out into its separate but overlapping components of light at different wavelengths. | |
| ▲ | giardini 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Perhaps "big ball of mud"? "mess"? "cluster f*k"? Arguing relevant metaphors in HN?! A new low... |
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| ▲ | dfxm12 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I don't think the 3rd metaphor fits. rgb values still points to a single color, which maps back to a single value on a 0 -> 1 or red -> violet continuum. It's more apt to describe it like a multi channel audio mixer. Many different channels ("really into a specific topic", "freaks out at parties"), each with their own value (10%, 20%). Metaphors often fail though, so it might just be best to say what we mean plainly. |
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| ▲ | dragonwriter an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > rgb values still points to a single color, which maps back to a single value on a 0 -> 1 or red -> violet continuum. No, it doesn't. Wavelength is unidimensional, but color can mix many wavelengths, and RGB is a 3d color system which doesn't cover all combinations of visible light but does approximate the way most human vision works, and is therefore useful as a description for human-perceived colors (and more accurate than picking a single point on the unidimensional wavelength spectrum for that purpose.) | |
| ▲ | delecti an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | An RGB value points to a single color, but if R is "really into trains" and B is "repetitive behavior" and G is "susceptibility to sensory overload", then it's basically the same metaphor as a multi channel audio mixer, except understandable to a different (and likely bigger) pool of people. | | |
| ▲ | dfxm12 an hour ago | parent [-] | | That line of reasoning doesn't follow as RGB implies there are exactly three measures, which isn't the case. | | |
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| ▲ | Aardwolf 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "spectrum" encompasses any hue, not just those 3, any frequency of light can have a different amplitude | |
| ▲ | jfindper an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >RGB implies there are exactly three measures It's a metaphor. It helps people build an intuition. It doesn't need to be exact to do that. | | |
| ▲ | dfxm12 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It doesn't have to be exact, but it's counter productive when it is clearly and meaningfully incorrect though. That's the problem with the two dimensional [0,1] scale as well. | | |
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| ▲ | delecti an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's just the limits of it being a metaphor. Audio mixers also only have a finite number of channels, but are also much less familiar to most people. |
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| ▲ | darzu 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | RGB doesn't map to a single line, you're thinking just about the hue. RGB is a proper vector that addresses a whole 3D color space. |
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