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pbmonster 13 hours ago

> hybrid power unit closer to 50/50 split between ICE and electric horsepower

Fun fact, at those ratios it would make a lot of sense to use an electric continuous variable transmission (eCVT) - connect the engine and the motor with a planetary gear set to the wheels, done. The electric motor spins backwards when going slow and forward when going fast. Those eCVTs can be lighter, more efficient an deliver more power across the entire range. But they're illegal in F1 - because they make the car sound boring.

toast0 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> But they're illegal in F1 - because they make the car sound boring.

I can confirm, my CMAX has an eCVT, and the engine noises are boring. Either it's off, or it's running in a pretty limited range, you can get a bit of fun rev increasing noises if you drive it just right... but mostly boring. My 81 VW Vanagon is much more fun to drive even if it's objectively worse at everything in terms of acceleration, top speed, wheel slip, etc; although the turning circle on the cmax is garbage, so the vanagon wins there. The VW makes fun sounds as you go from low rpm to redline several times as you work through the gears, and the cmax is just droning along.

globular-toast 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How Toyota's eCVT transmission works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppyK3ZlUbtM (Nerd snipe warning: the Weber Auto channel is brilliant and has lessons about all kinds of transmission and engine types).

When it comes to something like F1 I think it's OK for efficiency to not be the top priority. Road vehicles absolutely should be as light and efficient as possible with strict limits on pollution (including noise). But it's OK for society to have a few things like F1 that are just for fun. We just don't want everyone to be driving F1 cars around their neighbourhoods or have an F1 race every week.

pbmonster 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think the F1 teams would all switch to racing versions of those transmissions the second they would be allowed to do so.

The efficiency gains wouldn't even be important in comparison (until you start bringing significantly less fuel than your opponents), but just the reduction in weight and size (important for aero considerations) would be worth it. Also, the power gains from always running the ICE (and its turbo) at the perfect sweet spot in the power curve would be a giant advantage in racing.

KeplerBoy 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Correct, it has been done and got shutdown immediately.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_FW15C

rurban 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Mercedes is running with a CVT again for some years

WillPostForFood 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

By rule, all F1 teams have to use a sequential gearbox. It is section 9.7.1 of Technical regulations:

9.7.1 The number of forward gear ratios must be 8. Continuously variable transmission systems are not permitted.

globular-toast 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah, but a huge part of F1 is the sound. It's iconic in the true sense of the word. I can totally understand them wanting to protect it as part of the brand. Enthusiasts might be into other types of motor racing, but F1 sounds fast. Everyone understands that.

KeplerBoy 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I believe F1 cars are actually incredibly efficient.

You can only take so much fuel and fuel is also weight. You can only win if you use the available fuel to propel you forwards efficiently.