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ExoticPearTree an hour ago

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Ekaros an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Free trade. Any products that fulfil local safety standards should be allowed to be sold. Just because USA doesn't want to make cars that fulfil European standard does not mean they should be able to get away with those.

sumedh an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If the US can build safer cars for everyone, the EU will have no objections.

ExoticPearTree an hour ago | parent [-]

How are US cars not safe? Do they spontaneously combust? Break down in the middle of the road?

neilalexander 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

EU legislation requires a number of design considerations for pedestrian and cyclist collisions, like specific energy absorption requirements for front-impact and side-impact protection, restrictions on sharp corners/steep angles that could concentrate impact forces, minimum clearance around hard internal structures, mandatory ADAS (automated emergency braking, lane departure warnings) etc. Not saying that US cars are "not safe" in a binary fashion but for the most part these things are either optional or unregulated in the US.

sumedh 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Did you even read the article?

kelnos an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sure you can. I'm not even sure why I need to support this statement. You can have any kind of trade you want.

In the longer term, these sorts of things are governed more by demand than anything else. Sure, some governments might sometimes enact protectionist policies, but if most people in a country think the cars made by their domestic car companies are garbage, they're going to end up with a government that allows cars from other countries in.

sd9 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is nothing to do with trade.

If region X happily produces and sells rotten meat, no other region is obligated to trade with them. But region X might choose to import non-rotten meat if they want.

ricardobeat an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because of safety standards? It’s the whole point of the article.

You can absolutely have unidirectional trade, countries produce a different array of goods and these are not bartering deals.

georgefrowny an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

If the EU cars aren't "safe enough" for the US then sure. Some of it is political silly buggers and protectionism but at the end of the day countries (or unions of countries) can set their own rules.

If the US wants to sell cars to the EU, they can. Plenty of countries export cars to the EU just fine. It's not the EU's fault that American car manufacturers make dangerous vehicles. It's also not American car manufacturer's fault that European cities and roads are often smaller and Europeans have less appetite for road deaths. But it is their fault if they want to export to that market without making any effort to design suitable cars for it. American exporters aren't granted a God-given right to inflict American standards in the rest of the world.

ExoticPearTree an hour ago | parent [-]

How are US made vehicles dangerous?

georgefrowny an hour ago | parent [-]

If they don't meet EU safety standards, they are, by definition, legally unsafe for sale in the EU.

Front sightlines are a common example given for larger pickups and SUVs. Pedestrian outcomes in collisions are also given more weight in the EU standards (which is why you can't buy a Cybertruck).

American semi trucks are also generally considered unsafe for that reason plus overall length - nearly all EU and UK HGVs are cabover models.

There's no rule againt US-made vehicles. It's just that many vehicle models that happen to be made and sold in the US don't meet safety requirements in other places.

You can well argue that EU vehicle standards are excessively strict (many EU residents may agree or disagree on various aspects), but coming at it from "very unfair trade, it's a huge deficit, sad!" angle seems more like simping for car manufacturers then reasonable public safety policy tuning.

ExoticPearTree 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

> nearly all EU and UK HGVs are cabover models

and

> There's no rule against US-made vehicles.

It feels very much an anti-US rule to me.

Tor3 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

"It feels very much an anti-US rule to me."

It isn't. Quite the opposite. It's about a level playing field. There are standards for allowing products to market, some of them are more costly to implement. US car makers want to sell at lower standards than competitors, that's not a level playing field.

georgefrowny 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

It feels very much like a self-inflicted problem that manufacturers made by lobbying for domestic rules that they knew to be incompatible with foreign markets, followed by inability to innovate sufficiently to supply both markets economically.

I have no sympathy with this plight. They should take responsibility for their past choices.

It's not even that you can't see big pickups in the EU, there are plenty of Hiluxen and even Chinese brands like Maxus (SAIC) could figure out how make an EU-compliant vehicle (much as I think even such models are undesirable to share roads with).

It's also not there are no US imports - there are, when the models comply with local regulation.