The general problem is the US are a bully and Europe just caves, always. We should put up a serious fight. Block all US imports, starting with tech, and see what happens. Who cares if we sell less champagne??!?

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jgilias 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s not about champagne. It’s about us not making anything like the Patriot air defense system. Or us not having the capabilities to command our disparate militaries cohesively without US involvement in NATO. The whole Western order has been built on the premise of US being the corner stone that ties everything together.

Thank God the French have always been suspicious about it since the Suez crisis, hence we _do_ have at least some independent capabilities.

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skywal_l an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Who cares if we sell less champagne??!?

Nobody, but it seems a lot of people care if we sell less german cars.

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n8cpdx 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The US is underwriting European security (and by extension various European welfare states).

Do you really want to block the import of arms and financial aid to Ukraine?

If Europeans were serious about their sovereignty they’d have made very different choices up until now.

It isn’t right that America has so much power in this circumstance, but going back decades the US has been asking for Europe to take defense seriously.

	▲	LunaSea 33 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> It isn’t right that America has so much power in this circumstance, but going back decades the US has been asking for Europe to take defense seriously. Funny because the last time I believe that it was the US that requested help in Iraq and Afghanistan and not the other way around.
	▲	ExoticPearTree an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> Do you really want to block the import of arms and financial aid to Ukraine? Umm... yes? Since this whole debacle started, the EU has been shooting itself in the foot with all the sanctions that hurts its industries. On the other hand, the US did the smart thing and did not give out weapons for free, it charged for them. In the end, the US will be the winner of this war and Europe will come out of it incredibly weak economically. And it will have to turn to the US for help. Again.