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tormeh 3 hours ago

Obviously. Have you seen the Cybertruck? But I guess this is the price of the US remaining in NATO.

willvarfar 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I would guess it is a tariff thing rather than NATO. Is anyone in Europe really believing the USA still has our back?

herbst 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Definitely no. At least not where I am from. America is just as bad s China, Russia or all the other freaks terrorising our world.

Edit:// I also don't know when this believe ever should have existed. Or why it would have existed in the first place

wongarsu 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The US has been like that for a long time. But Western European and American interests were well aligned for a couple decades. First the whole WW2 business. Then Western Europe needed funds for rebuilding and a strong deterance against further expansion of the Soviet Union, while the US felt threatened by the idea of communism. Then in the early 90s we had a couple years where we had common ground in commercializing and integrating post-Soviet states.

During the Bush and Obama eras Europe was at least important as a staging ground for war in the Middle East, but the US wants to get away from putting boots on the ground there.

But now most of the common ground is gone, and the gloves are coming off

herbst 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You talk about Europe as it were a single country. I live in Switzerland and basically nothing of what you say is or was true here. What you describe is losing the few allies you had here, not "Europe". Trump is using these words so wrongly it hurts. There never was a common Europe on Americas side to begin with.

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drstewart 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Wow. Shocking.

Quick question: where you are from, what percentage of GDP did you spend on the military in the last 10 years?

Why isn't Switzerland, the very rich and developed and human-rights-protecting country, fighting Russia right now? Oh, right, your country loves profiting off of misery.

herbst 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Not even a fifth. However other than the cold trading war with the US we haven't been in any war situation for a while.

And we don't exactly need military against you guys. We attack with rolex and suited super rich

Edit:// if Russia is such an easy problem? How comes orange man did nothing so far even thought he spends days talking about how he did?

We are also actually the main sponsor for America by capita. (As in owning state papers and your dept) So essentially we finance you guys to do the dirty stuff!?

input_sh 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is a tariff thing.

Nobody's under any illusion that this was a good decision, including the people that made this decision. It was just a means to an end, the end being lowering tarrifs on the EU.

There's still quite a few steps between the current state and the dominance of US cars on European streets. It's still an empty promise from the EU side.

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tormeh 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe. Maybe not. The uncertainty has value in and of itself, assuming Russia et al. experience the same uncertainty.

littlestymaar 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Is anyone in Europe really believing the USA still has our back?

Pretty much every government unfortunately.

herbst 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Are you German by change? There is barely any America positive sentiment in our media anymore as far as I can tell, since the last time orange man won (which been a while).

From the media I can see it's only Germany who has a really weird relationship with the US. Switzerland, Italy, France, .. are pretty clear in what they think and how they will act.

wkat4242 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think they're just looking 3 years ahead.

wkat4242 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The cybertruck is not approved in Europe. Some people manage to use individual loopholes to import them but Tesla doesn't sell them here.

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mihaaly 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Guaranteed new deaths everyday instead of possibly, maybe, USA president will not back out from a conflict on a whim or by getting offended and go full sulky kid due to some remarks on his patheticly idiotic personality (I hope he will never get here, I do not want to be carpet bombed because of a comment).

I'd say keep everyday life better and buy some stupid US military airplanes instead, to keep this deteriorated stupid smug child satisfied!

The EU representatives shall remain adults!!