if cameras end up only slightly better than humans - who cause 40k deaths annually and 1M worldwide, or a world war amount of deaths every 15 years or so - but rapidly deployable due to cost, they will save more lives than a handful of lidar cars.

As far as Tesla, time will tell. I ride their robotaxis daily and see them performing better than Waymo, but it's obviously meaningless until we see accident stats after they remove safety monitors.

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flutas an hour ago | parent [-]

> I ride their robotaxis daily and see them performing better than Waymo, but it's obviously meaningless until we see accident stats after they remove safety monitors.

I've seen this claimed a lot but never have gotten a definitive answer.

Is this like "overall better but hard to pinpoint" or "this maneuver is smoother than Waymo" or something in between?

Would love to hear experiences with them since they're so limited currently.

	▲	iknowstuff 12 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Smoother maneuvers, or things like seamlessly backing up a bit when it predicts that a large vehicle turning from an intersecting street won't have enough room to turn unless the car moves out of its way. It's really cool.
	▲	smallmancontrov 37 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Yeah Tesla has more smoothing, but IMO that's less interesting than the ability to navigate tricky scenarios and model other actors. Here's my collection of interesting videos, Tesla only because those are the ones I get forwarded to me. I'd love to see a similar collection for Waymo. Crowd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWz1TD-VZg Negotiation: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NxloAweI6nU Model: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KVa4GWepX74