We haven’t passed the stage where we convince policy makers to stop dumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

We’re not going to convince anyone to keep hiring software developers.

I think we ought to be keeping people trained and employed but it seems we’re not on the winning side here.

johnnyanmac 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We gotta gather ourselves and remind companies why they once paid handsomely to not let potential disruptiors run rampant on the market. Long term new teams will form once productivity is valued again and not this giant incestuous GDP-maxmizing scheme.

	▲	oblio 5 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		On the long term, we're all dead. I doubt things will recover to 2018 levels. Too many new software devs coming out each year, too much AI, too little big company growth once everyone already has an internet computer in their hands. The Wild West is over and now the digital economy has entered the boring phase.
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dtech 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I think we ought to be keeping people trained and employed

I never understood this sentiment. We don't have a massive manual weaving industry anymore, 95%+ of people used to be farmers in 1900. Tech comes and replaces humans, and the transition can be extremely painful especially for the people replaced, but ultimately it's better than keeping people artificially employed in obsolete jobs.

(I don't think SWE will be obsolete, but even in this case I'd rather switch careers)

	▲	oblio 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Most deindustrialized regions in the West haven't recovered to full prosperity and are quite depressing to live in, sometimes even 30-40 years later: US Rust Belt, Wallonia in Belgium, the French North East, etc. At a large enough scale, most people don't really move on, their lives are wrecked and they just suffer through them.

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kortilla 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The comparison to greenhouse gases doesn’t make sense. Corps pay a lot for developers right now because they get more value out of them than they cost. As long as that remains true, devs will be fine.

	▲	pyuser583 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Part of being a developer is innovating as rapidly as possible. We obsolete our own practices in a regular basis. We should be the last occupation to be replaced by machines. Maybe I’m stupid, but I’m stupidly optimistic.